Bible people shun their own Citizens

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Muslims do not hate Christians

True. And Christians love everybody. Antitheists are the true enemies of believers everywhere.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Probably the same Christians you deride are the ones that give the most and help as many as they can. Now many of the Christians do not like Socialism and the state to take from us and try to cookie cutter approach to solve problems. The problems are much better taken care of at the state and even better local level. When Socialistic bureaucrats take the money it is lucky if even half of the money reaches down to help. Also here at the state and local do not want to be told by the lord and masters from far away D.C how and when and where and especially who.

The Christians you deride is where the money comes from not just to charity and church outreach programs but the taxes that fund the Socialism that is destroying the souls of the very ones supposedly being helped. Of course the ones whining about it are the ones least likely to give.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Of course the ones whining about it are the ones least likely to give.

[Captain Oates 911]

So what country did the European atheists move from?

European atheists are from Europe ...

Socialism and atheism are not pejorative terms in Europe as they are here

Tony Blair was leader of the socialist party and the Americans thought he was wonderful

I don't think they even realised he was leader of the socialist party

But lets not leave the main point of the thread in that CHARITY is no substitute for giving people rights and entitlements

Charity is a crumb from the rich mans table and just makes the the 'holier than thou' crowd feel good and superior at the same time

Jesus was socialist and believed in everyone helping each other and giving without requiring quid pro quo

Republican christians are a contradiction in terms and I don't think any of them will get into their heaven because their attitude to their fellow man is demeaning and grudging and insular

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

But since you don't believe in heaven or hell, or God, or anything other than a quiet dirt nap at the end, you get absolutely no satisfaction for being right. So, why bother, unless the rest of us make you uncomfortable in your disbelief.

[Captain Oates 911]

But since you don't believe in heaven or hell, or God, or anything other than a quiet dirt nap at the end, you get absolutely no satisfaction for being right. So, why bother, unless the rest of us make you uncomfortable in your disbelief.

I am not actually evangelizing for new atheists on this thread, I am trying to turn christians away from republicanism by suggesting that looking after old people and the weak and disadvantaged is best done through left politics rather than right and the right are immoral in the extreme

I think charity is no substitute for dignity given by entitlements which mean the sick an dying do not have to beg from the better off who are only giving charity to make themselves feel better

The system in the US is that when anyone is abandoned by the State and insurance companies, charity (the Churches) have a whip round. How demeaning and which church will help me when I am poor and dying ? Strings attached or what.

It is no coincidence that Medicare was a lefty program which the right fought all the way

Anyone who votes right wing, either has no moral compass or has not actually thought it through

Jesus WAS a socialist and did not talk about drip feeding crumbs to the poor and needy

He didn't charge for giving health care or fishes or bread

Can anyone imagine him voting for attacking Medicare, giving out vouchers and chopping widows pensions ?

Anyone with a conscience and any sense of social cohesion should never vote for the grisly party of the billionaires as it actually against their religion and the way that Jesus thought

80% of Amerticans believe that attacking medicare and SS is WRONG. Morally wrong.They said so this week.

Any christian who has a sense of morality should draw a conclusion from that

[Danno 1,228]

<<<What is the matter with American Christians that they can't see that their politics are the total 180 degree opposite of everything that Jesus stood for ?>>>

Clearly you are looking at Jesus and seeing what you want to see, rather than what is there.

PLease show me just one example of Christ instructing us....to compel another to give or donate or to serve.

Where does Jesus instruct his followers to corral other people into doing good works?

His message is a personal one to each of us.

PLease follow your atheism to where ever it may take you, but don't try to hijack for your own socialist purposes, the message of Christ.

Edited April 22, 2011 by Danno

[Captain Oates 911]

<<<What is the matter with American Christians that they can't see that their politics are the total 180 degree opposite of everything that Jesus stood for ?>>>

Clearly you are looking at Jesus and seeing what you want to see, rather than what is there.

PLease show me just one example of Christ instructing us....to compel another to give or donate or to serve.

Where does Jesus instruct his followers to corral other people into doing good works?

His message is a personal one to each of us.

PLease follow your atheism to where ever it may take you, but don't try to hijack for your own socialist purposes, the message of Christ.

So do you see Medicare and Social Security as people taking money from you and 'compelling you to give or donate'

Would you feel empowered and 'good' if the old and sick had to rely on your voluntary charity ?

The republicans have hijacked the message of christ - not me

They have perverted it to their own billionaire purposes which is MONEY

That is all you are centered on - MONEY and keeping yours or doling it out according to your whim

That is immoral and that is un-christian

[Danno 1,228]

So do you see Medicare and Social Security as people taking money from you and 'compelling you to give or donate'

Would you feel empowered and 'good' if the old and sick had to rely on your voluntary charity ?

The republicans have hijacked the message of christ - not me

They have perverted it to their own billionaire purposes which is MONEY

That is all you are centered on - MONEY and keeping yours or doling it out according to your whim

That is immoral and that is un-christian

1. you failed to show us even one example of Christ, instructing his followers to compel others to give.

2. Christians give and do..... more than their fair share (all on their own without anyone compelling them to do so).

3. News flash: if you really want to touch the lives of the poor in a meaningful way, the Government as your vehicle is not the way to go.

4. I realize as a practicing Atheists, it;'s rather tough to find worthy organizations to contribute too.... but if you can get past the religious angle, Christians have endless one to donate too.

For a random example, here is a list of Orgs who work to simply bring clean water (along with the Gospel) to those in need.

Equip, Inc. (828) 738-3891. 126 Rock House Rd, PO Box 1126, Marion, NC 28752-1126. Equip is a missionary training center offering courses in water development, missionary medicine, community health evangelism, food production, etc. (top)

Safe Water International Ministries (641) 933-4345. S.W.I.M. for Him, P.O. Box 241, Washington, IA 52353. The goal of S.W.I.M. is to reach the poorest of the poor with the Gospel of Christ by using the technology available for disinfecting water. S.W.I.M. produces portable chlorination units for treating standing water sources. These units are available for purchase. (top)

Holy Water Group (864) 346-6972. 121 Delmar Dr, Simpsonville SC 29680. A corporate partner of Hydromissions International, HWG is a non-denominational ministry, set up to provide clean water and eye care in poverty stricken areas of Central America. If you are looking to "go on a Hydromissions trip", HWG is the outlet for that experience. (top)

Drill Cat (903) 529-1674. Drillcat@gmail.com. Drill Cat is a company that sells quality used/refurbished drilling and geothermal equipment worldwide. They are experienced well drillers, and are dedicated to using their expertise to help missionaries to promote the gospel through water projects at a price they can afford. (top)

Servants 4 Him P.O. Box 597, Hamilton, VA 20159. Servants 4 Him utilizes "good deeds evangelism", often involving low-cost water filtration systems. Much of the work is done in Guatemala. (top)

Wellspring of Life PO Box 1495, Dunedin, FL 34697. The vision of Wellspring of Life Ministries is to bring life-giving water and the living water of Jesus Christ by providing fresh water through their well-drilling ministry and building relationships that open ministry opportunities. (top)

Highways and Hedges (662) 415-4837. PO Box 2707, Presidio, TX 79845. H&H works among the Tarahumara Indians of the western Sierra Madres Mountains of Chihuahua, Mexico providing clean drinking water through wells and systems in the remote villages and communities. They are also bringing the Living Water by taking the Gospel into areas it has never been before. (top)

A Cup of Water International, Inc (267) 242-1798. PO Box 647, Glenside, PA 19038. ACOWI is a Korean-based evangelical missions organization, using water projects as a contact point for evangelical outreach to the un-reached. (top)

Flowing Streams Ministries P.O. Box 3134, Shawnee, KS 66203. FSM serves as a resource for water ministries by pooling together funds and support from donors. Rather than reinventing the wheel, FSM distributes those funds to projects that are being done by already-established water ministries. (top)

Water of Life (864) 469-9500. P O Box 24151, Greenville, SC 29616. Formerly "Living Water Carolinas", this group trains and conducts short-term missions trips including well drilling, hygiene, and medical clinics primarily in Liberia. (top)

Living Water International (281) 261-7984 Toll-free: (877) 594-4426. PO Box 2257, Sugar Land, TX 77487-2257. LWI conducts well drilling training and missions trips. They are linked with development and manufacturing of powered water drilling equipment. (top)

Life Water (805) 541-6634 Toll-free: (888) 543-3426. PO Box 3131 San Luis Obispo, CA 93403. Lifewater's volunteers train nationals in developing countries with technical skills to improve their drinking water supplies. They donate all the necessary equipment to the trained national crew and continue to provide technical and financial support until they are self-sufficient. (top)

Water Missions International (843) 769-7395. 2040 Savage Road, Box 31258, Charleston, SC 29417. This company develops community-sized water filtration systems for missions and disaster relief projects. (top)

New Life International (812) 752-7474. 6764 South Bloomington Trail, Underwood, Indiana 47177. New Life specializes in surface water treatment through the use of inexpensive, portable chlorination units. (top)

Living Waters for the World (615) 261-4008. 318 Seaboard Lane, Suite 205, Franklin TN 37067. An outreach of the Presbyterian church, LWW serves as a resource to churches of all denominations, civic organizations and others in mission, enabling them to provide clean water to their partners in need. (top)

Chapin Living Waters (315) 788-0891. 364 N. Colorado Ave, Watertown NY 13601. CLW helps poor people in third world countries grow vegetables when there is insufficient rain. We offer simple, sustainable technologies for subsistence farming, bringing hope to the poorest people and the opportunity to solve their own problems. (top)

Missions Resource International 210 Holmes, Lumberton TX 78501. MRI is a non-profit 501©(3) organization working to provide fresh water through means of drilling water wells and other water projects along with sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to those who are in need.. (top)

Water for All International Carries out small local programs directly with poor families in poor areas of the world with local partners, churches, or non profits teaching local families to drill their own water wells, make their own pumps, farm better, and increase income. (top)

Robin's Song (319) 210-1655. PO Box 35, Marion, IA 52302 Equipping people and training them to provide safe, clean drinking water for their communities. Our Purpose is to make available clean drinking water in areas of great need. To help people to support themselves with an income from drilling the deep wells. To show God’s love to the people we serve that they may know Him as their personal Lord and Savior. (top)

Edge Outreach (502) 568-6342. 1500 Arlington Ave., Louisville, KY 40206 EO/PureWater PureLife trains individuals and organizations to provide safe drinking water to people in developing countries. Year-round training includes community water assessment, water purification, filtration, hand pump repair. (top)

The Water Project (704) 900-7910. P.O. Box 39487, Charlotte, NC 28278 The Water Project partners with local NGO's to help implement water collection solutions appropriate to each area. In the US, TWP raises awareness and support for global water issues. (top)

Water for Life and Livelihood (509) 545-3355. P.O. Box 3027, Pasco, WA 99302 WFLL provides solar powered wells for irrigation and sanitation for the Turkana people of Kenya. (top)

Thrust Ministries International (214) 236-6265. P.O. Box 1357, Fort Collins, CO 80522 Thrust is involved in deep water well drilling (truck rig) as an outreach in Northern Uganda. (top)

Waters Edge Ministries (803) 635-3812. 195 Holly St Winnsboro, SC 29180. Involved in providing clean water and schools in Ghana, West Africa. (top)

Water4 (405) 694-5214. P.O. Box 8304, Edmond, OK 73083-8304. The mission of Water4 is to provide water to at-risk, impoverished areas throughout the world to advance the health and prosperity of those populations and act as a catalyst to stimulate the local economies by providing water for personal use (such as drinking water) and water for agricultural purposes. (top)

Seeds of Hope (805) 439-1489. 1023 Nipomo St, Ste 110, San Luis Obispo, CA 93401. SOH trains and equips people (primarily in Zambia) in both spiritual and practical ways to go to the nations with tools that will bring hope and healing to those for whom they care. (top)

Healing Waters International (303) 526-7278. 534 Commons Drive, Golden, CO 8040. HWI provides safe water solutions through a holistic approach that combines water treatment equipment with health/hygiene education and a micro-business model. (top)