Students asked to give part of their GPA to lower earning student.

[slim 1,530]

Since you are the only one here who is claiming this perhaps you can extrapolate on that.

Sure.

Dumb kids who should fail a class because they're incapable of learning the material without the intervention and efforts of someone else are passed. In the real world, when you're incapable of "passing" something wihtout someone's help, you fail. However, since we've institutionalized the thought process of dummies to look for help from their peers instead of passing on their own, we've now created - through our public education system - an entire group of people who are not only incapable of "passing" on their own, but actually believe it's someone's job to make sure they pass.

Enlighten us all, as you seem to be on a topic that is quite different from the one that was described in the original set of posts. I just think you're not very good at analytical reading.

It's no surprise to me that you're incapable of connecting things unless they're spelled out for you by someone. Most americans (small "a" on purpose, see above) require that now. We're not allowed to do things on our own and we can't act until someone tells us to.

The reason this goes along with the original set of posts is because the same "feel good" folks who would've helped out the dummies in grade school, high school, etc., are not willing to help them when it "costs" them something.

Big picture here (pay attention please) - nobody minds helping the "team" when it costs them nothing. In fact, most people are very altruistic at heart. Everyone says things like, "we SHOULD help the poor." But, when it's time to kick in, say, in the form of increased taxes to fund that burden, folks aren't so selfless anymore. When you look at the OP and the offer to "donate" some of their hard-earned GPA to help the dummies, is it any surprise the smarter (or, at least the harder working and/or more successful) kids won't help?

Compare and contrast that with the real world. Everyone wants to help the poor. Everyone thinks we should feed the hungry. Everyone wants the whole US of A to live high on the hog and celebrate every day. But when it comes time to pay for it...... "Not with my money. Tax the rich!"

This is exactly what happened in the OP and this is a bright shining example of how the US operates today. "Feed them. Just not with my money." The kids who conducted this illustration were brilliant and it's shocking (not so much) to me that you who participated in the education system just simply cannot fathom the connection here.

You're arguing entitlement mentalities from a system of learning and work that only encourages a zero-sum results method whereas I (and others) have been quite clear in describing a methodology where everyone contributes to the group with their given set of abilities. Originally my methodology was one where the entire tide rises all boats, and that by no means indicates that the smarter are carrying the weaker links. If anything- reinforcement means that the stronger links strengthen their position as the leaders of the pack while the weaker links also advance, just not as robustly. By your utter disregard for that simple argument, you demonstrate your lack of reading skills and likely participation in a weaker group that did not have the benefit of someone assisting them in much advancement. Maybe that's the cause of your resentment with valuing effective learning techniques overall.

This goes a long way to show how much you've been duped.

"You weren't helped as much and that's why you're not as successful." Yes, more help is exactly what I need. I can blame my personal problems on someone else not helping me. And where does this entitlement mentality come from, you ask?

[Zero Sum 305]

So you assume the kids that needed to fail were passed due to my methodology?

You would be wrong (as usual). But don't let those silly details of fact get you. I still feel sorry for your level of thought.

The pattern of Slimsense continues... To swing. And miss.

[slim 1,530]

So you assume the kids that needed to fail were passed due to my methodology?

You would be wrong (as usual). But don't let those silly details of fact get you. I still feel sorry for your level of thought.

The pattern of Slimsense continues... To swing. And miss.

I assume those kids go out into the real world and when help is not available, demand someone provide them with help or they simply stop participating.

The pattern of Slimsense is relating posted material to big picture issues. I'm sorry I'm not as narrow-minded in my thinking as most of you.

[Zero Sum 305]

I assume those kids go out into the real world and when help is not available, demand someone provide them with help or they simply stop participating.

The pattern of Slimsense is relating posted material to big picture issues. I'm sorry I'm not as narrow-minded in my thinking as most of you.

When you try to be a jack of all trades such as in oversimplifying society's structure unto how schoolchildren learn, you demonstrate that perhaps you should have been retained a year or two. Or taken summer school to overcome those analytical issues you have going on. Frankly put, you are taking thing on an unrelated and highly unquantifyable tangent. Cocluding things (incorrectly) in your opinion is fine, just be prepared to be wrong on susbtance. As usual.

Sometimes you have to have things broken down for you, step by step. I think you should try it before continuing to make an intellectual fool of yourself. No offense though.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This thread is one of these:

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Sure.

Dumb kids who should fail a class because they're incapable of learning the material without the intervention and efforts of someone else are passed. In the real world, when you're incapable of "passing" something wihtout someone's help, you fail. However, since we've institutionalized the thought process of dummies to look for help from their peers instead of passing on their own, we've now created - through our public education system - an entire group of people who are not only incapable of "passing" on their own, but actually believe it's someone's job to make sure they pass.

Umm, in the real business world people help each other acquire new skills all the time. It's called training. Most employees have some kind of responsibility for it whether or not it's in their job description. Employees who just look out for themselves and not the larger organization are usually not good employees

I think the group most likely passing the buck on ensuring children aren't passing are parents. Parents seem to be the group most likely to believe their children should pass without earning it and will put pressure on teachers to give them the grade anyway - they are responsible for the entitlement mentality, not teaching methods.

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Umm, in the real business world people help each other acquire new skills all the time. It's called training. Most employees have some kind of responsibility for it whether or not it's in their job description. Employees who just look out for themselves and not the larger organization are usually not good employees

Please, someone get slim a copy of "The workplace for dummies".

[Zero Sum 305]

Quit making sense!

Umm, in the real business world people help each other acquire new skills all the time. It's called training. Most employees have some kind of responsibility for it whether or not it's in their job description. Employees who just look out for themselves and not the larger organization are usually not good employees

I think the group most likely passing the buck on ensuring children aren't passing are parents. Parents seem to be the group most likely to believe their children should pass without earning it and will put pressure on teachers to give them the grade anyway - they are responsible for the entitlement mentality, not teaching methods.

[slim 1,530]

When you try to be a jack of all trades such as in oversimplifying society's structure unto how schoolchildren learn, you demonstrate that perhaps you should have been retained a year or two. Or taken summer school to overcome those analytical issues you have going on. Frankly put, you are taking thing on an unrelated and highly unquantifyable tangent. Cocluding things (incorrectly) in your opinion is fine, just be prepared to be wrong on susbtance. As usual.

Sometimes you have to have things broken down for you, step by step. I think you should try it before continuing to make an intellectual fool of yourself. No offense though.

Blatantly obvious how much of a sheep you are. "But slim, you just don't get it. You need more training!"

I hope those camps are looking for teachers when you get there.

Umm, in the real business world people help each other acquire new skills all the time. It's called training. Most employees have some kind of responsibility for it whether or not it's in their job description. Employees who just look out for themselves and not the larger organization are usually not good employees

You're right about that. They're not good employees and usually don't go to work for very long. What happens to them then?

I think the group most likely passing the buck on ensuring children aren't passing are parents. Parents seem to be the group most likely to believe their children should pass without earning it and will put pressure on teachers to give them the grade anyway - they are responsible for the entitlement mentality, not teaching methods.

Where'd parents get that mentality?

Please, someone get slim a copy of "The workplace for dummies".

You have to show up to the workplace to be a part of it.

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You have to show up to the workplace to be a part of it.

Good, now you know where to start.

[Zero Sum 305]

oh lord this guy is hopelessly lost

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oh lord this guy is hopelessly lost

Probably from a very different world. The kind of place where if you're lost people tell you it's not their job to help. Those workplaces do exist. Our data center was dominated by a group like that a decade ago but we've since flushed those fukcs down the drain and it is now much better.

[Zero Sum 305]

Probably from a very different world. The kind of place where if you're lost people tell you it's not their job to help. Those workplaces do exist. Our data center was dominated by a group like that a decade ago but we've since flushed those fukcs down the drain and it is now much better.

You mean that the Winning people are not sheep? No!?!

[slim 1,530]

Do you guys live/work in areas where there are large numbers of unemployed people hanging out, watching cable and reproducing all day?

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Do you guys live/work in areas where there are large numbers of unemployed people hanging out, watching cable and reproducing all day?

No. If I did, I'd move.

Where I live, there are large numbers of employed people who hang out and browse the Internet and go to meetings all day. No one has time for babies. Maybe if we could have one between meetings and leave it in our cubes/offices after work.