Students asked to give part of their GPA to lower earning student.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You guys all have me figured out! I was one of the dumb kids and wish the smart kids would've helped me more. Shucks.

What I really hope is those of you who fail to see the correlation of the "team" mentality and where that's leading us don't have to deal with the whole team when the time comes. I hope you have the mindset to deal with the dummies like me and are smart enough to make the right choices.

What correlation? Where is the 'team mentality' leading us?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I get her point. But what she's failing to connect is the fact that Steve Jobs could work on the line in Hong Kong but not everyone on that line could make (good) strategic decisions for the company.

What I keep hearing is everyone is equal. Everyone is not. Some people are better than others. Better at doing jobs, better at life and just better people in general. For whatever reason, many people in the US have a problem with that.

Maybe it's because we teach "team" in schools and everyone gets a trophy for playing T-Ball?

You are simplifying things. He may be able to work on the line, but he isn't going to be able to do the engineering, or the coding, or the product design such as the shell casings etc.

Team is about specialization. One person will never be as good as a Team that can cover every element.

Everyone IS equal, or so the Bill of Rights says. People are better at doing specific tasks. Each task in a company has a value based not on the task, itself, but on the number of people available to do that task well.

CEOs are paid well because there are very few of them around.

Engineers are paid decently well because again there is a limited number.

The guy on the line in Hong Kong is paid poorly because there plenty of people to do that specific job. Basic economics here.

[Nina~ 431]

Dead giveaway

Smart kids don't work hard because they do not have to. Learning is easy for them. Hence, usually, they do not have any resentment toward helping others

So true.. I remember in highschool when my Algebra teacher made me sit next to this girl who had a hard time in that class. All I did was to point out her mistakes and showed her how to approach a problem if she was really really stuck. She didn't mooch off me ever. And in fact, she worked much harder than me in that class because Math was a breeze for me.

Similarly in college, my humanities prof assigned a graduate student to tutor me in writing.. My essays were atrocious and all my tutor did was to proof read my work for mistakes, grammar, readability, etc. She gave me pointers to fix it but she never did my work for me, nor did I mooch off her. It is so unreal how much hard work I had to put in a stupid humanities class that had nothing to do with my major

[Zero Sum 305]

So true.. I remember in highschool when my Algebra teacher made me sit next to this girl who had a hard time in that class. All I did was to point out her mistakes and showed her how to approach a problem if she was really really stuck. She didn't mooch off me ever. And in fact, she worked much harder than me in that class because Math was a breeze for me.

Similarly in college, my humanities prof assigned a graduate student to tutor me in writing.. My essays were atrocious and all my tutor did was to proof read my work for mistakes, grammar, readability, etc. She gave me pointers to fix it but she never did my work for me, nor did I mooch off her. It is so unreal how much hard work I had to put in a stupid humanities class that had nothing to do with my major

And do you feel like you were 'held back' by your teacher after having to sacrifice your 'valuable' learning time to help someone that could benefit from the help of a peer? In other words, did this peer learning help you review/consolidate what you had easily acquired before?

[Nina~ 431]

And do you feel like you were 'held back' by your teacher after having to sacrifice your 'valuable' learning time to help someone that could benefit from the help of a peer? In other words, did this peer learning help you review/consolidate what you had easily acquired before?

It actually kept me out of trouble and was I was less disruptive in class because I was utilizing my "free" time helping that girl. And explaining a concept to someone do help you better understand something you already knew.

[Zero Sum 305]

It actually kept me out of trouble and was I was less disruptive in class because I was utilizing my "free" time helping that girl. And explaining a concept to someone do help you better understand something you already knew.

Great answer. Its called reinforcement, and everyone needs it. Even when they think they know it all.

[slim 1,533]

What correlation? Where is the 'team mentality' leading us?

It's leading us down the tubes. The correlation is that folks think they deserve something because they're equal to everyone on the team. That's not how teams work.

Even within the team there are folks who are more important than others. We've been taught, from a very early age, that we're all equal and just as important as everyone else on that team. This leads to folks growing up wondering why they're not getting CEO pay for working on an assembly line. "If he be gettin all that money, I should be gettin some too. This company be makin millions of dollars because I be workin so hard. He don't be doin dammit but sittin up in that office all day. I be doin all the work up in this #######. Where my money be at?"

You are simplifying things. He may be able to work on the line, but he isn't going to be able to do the engineering, or the coding, or the product design such as the shell casings etc.

Team is about specialization. One person will never be as good as a Team that can cover every element.

Everyone IS equal, or so the Bill of Rights says. People are better at doing specific tasks. Each task in a company has a value based not on the task, itself, but on the number of people available to do that task well.

CEOs are paid well because there are very few of them around.

Engineers are paid decently well because again there is a limited number.

The guy on the line in Hong Kong is paid poorly because there plenty of people to do that specific job. Basic economics here.

Basic economics is very hard for most folks to grasp. They can't seem to understand why things don't add up when a government pays CEO type money to folks who don't even show up to do any work on the line.

Great answer. Its called reinforcement, and everyone needs it. Even when they think they know it all.

Why does everyone need reinforcement?

Some folks are perfectly happy with the compensation they already get for doing a good job. They don't need someone telling them how good of a person they are for simply being alive. "Oh, it's OK. You count too! You're just as important as everyone else."

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's leading us down the tubes. The correlation is that folks think they deserve something because they're equal to everyone on the team. That's not how teams work.

Even within the team there are folks who are more important than others. We've been taught, from a very early age, that we're all equal and just as important as everyone else on that team. This leads to folks growing up wondering why they're not getting CEO pay for working on an assembly line. "If he be gettin all that money, I should be gettin some too. This company be makin millions of dollars because I be workin so hard. He don't be doin dammit but sittin up in that office all day. I be doin all the work up in this #######. Where my money be at?"

When people say "we are all equal" they generally mean that we afford people equal rights and that prejudging people is wrong. As far as that goes - that is simple fairness. Nothing more.

What you are talking about is entitlement mentality, which does exist, however it has little to do with the above.

[Zero Sum 305]

It's leading us down the tubes. The correlation is that folks think they deserve something because they're equal to everyone on the team. That's not how teams work.

Even within the team there are folks who are more important than others. We've been taught, from a very early age, that we're all equal and just as important as everyone else on that team. This leads to folks growing up wondering why they're not getting CEO pay for working on an assembly line. "If he be gettin all that money, I should be gettin some too. This company be makin millions of dollars because I be workin so hard. He don't be doin dammit but sittin up in that office all day. I be doin all the work up in this #######. Where my money be at?"

Basic economics is very hard for most folks to grasp. They can't seem to understand why things don't add up when a government pays CEO type money to folks who don't even show up to do any work on the line.

Why does everyone need reinforcement?

Some folks are perfectly happy with the compensation they already get for doing a good job. They don't need someone telling them how good of a person they are for simply being alive. "Oh, it's OK. You count too! You're just as important as everyone else."

I don't think you quite understand the meaning of academic reinforcement. In other words, you're doing it again- losing yourself on the wrong railroad tracks of thought.

When people say "we are all equal" they generally mean that we afford people equal rights and that prejudging people is wrong. As far as that goes - that is simple fairness. Nothing more.

What you are talking about is entitlement mentality, which does exist, however it has little to do with the above.

So I'm not the only one that noticed he's hearing X when others say A.

[slim 1,533]

What you are talking about is entitlement mentality, which does exist, however it has little to do with the above.

Where does the entitlement mentality come from?

I don't think you quite understand the meaning of academic reinforcement. In other words, you're doing it again- losing yourself on the wrong railroad tracks of thought

I understand academic reinforcement. What you don't understand is how academic reinforcment leads to an entitlement mentality for many who are not smart enough to learn wihtout reinforcement.

So I'm not the only one that noticed he's hearing X when others say A.

You're also not the only one who cannot connect A to X.

I'm not hearing X. X is already a reality. What you folks are failing to realize is A is what's causing X.

[Vi-Jay 218]

"At these schools, the pupils were taught to be the future leaders of Germany."

"The very best pupils went to order castles."

"Those who graduated from the order castles could expect to attain a high position in the army or SS."

"The Nazi government claimed that a German pupil sitting next to a Jew could become contaminated by the experience."

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I understand academic reinforcement. What you don't understand is how academic reinforcment leads to an entitlement mentality for many who are not smart enough to learn wihtout reinforcement.

Since you are the only one here who is claiming this perhaps you can extrapolate on that.

[Zero Sum 305]

Where does the entitlement mentality come from?

I understand academic reinforcement. What you don't understand is how academic reinforcment leads to an entitlement mentality for many who are not smart enough to learn wihtout reinforcement.

You're also not the only one who cannot connect A to X.

I'm not hearing X. X is already a reality. What you folks are failing to realize is A is what's causing X.

Enlighten us all, as you seem to be on a topic that is quite different from the one that was described in the original set of posts. I just think you're not very good at analytical reading.

You're arguing entitlement mentalities from a system of learning and work that only encourages a zero-sum results method whereas I (and others) have been quite clear in describing a methodology where everyone contributes to the group with their given set of abilities. Originally my methodology was one where the entire tide rises all boats, and that by no means indicates that the smarter are carrying the weaker links. If anything- reinforcement means that the stronger links strengthen their position as the leaders of the pack while the weaker links also advance, just not as robustly. By your utter disregard for that simple argument, you demonstrate your lack of reading skills and likely participation in a weaker group that did not have the benefit of someone assisting them in much advancement. Maybe that's the cause of your resentment with valuing effective learning techniques overall.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

the entire tide rises all boats

This concept is very unfamiliar to a lot of people yet I hear so many business leaders use this phrase. I wonder if they are really secret socialists.

[Zero Sum 305]

This concept is very unfamiliar to a lot of people yet I hear so many business leaders use this phrase. I wonder if they are really secret socialists.

Now imagine Ronald Reagan saying it.