What do you know about the illegal immigrant community in your area?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That kinda screws the bigots' arguments up and down, when over two-thirds of the foreign borne population are here with all rights and privileges, yet they can't wait to deport them all because they look different and talk funny.

Edited April 21, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Citizenship should not be an accident of birth. People should be free to migrate where they want to.

Check out the favelas in Brazil to see what happens when people can live wherever they want. And this is with citizens.

http://frugalchristianliving.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/favela.jpg

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Check out the favelas in Brazil to see what happens when people can live wherever they want. And this is with citizens.

http://frugalchristianliving.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/favela.jpg

If you don't want to live that way, live somewhere else.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That kinda screws the bigots' arguments up and down, when over two-thirds of the foreign borne population are here with all rights and privileges, yet they can't wait to deport them all because they look different and talk funny.

That's why I say the US should cut California loose right after it builds a giant wall around it w/minefield. This way California can open it's border to anyone and everyone.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If you don't want to live that way, live somewhere else.

These are places where the rules aren't followed. They do whatever they like. Like Skid Row only they can build tar paper shacks.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That's why I say the US should cut California loose right after it builds a giant wall around it w/minefield. This way California can open it's border to anyone and everyone.

That would leave Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas for you to worry about, along with the entire Canadian border. California's border is fairly secure, BTW, thanks to the CAL-ARNG that improved the border with access roads, stadium lights, and a barrier fence, that finally extends into the ocean. That is why Arizona is having such a tough time keeping their border secure.

Now if you want to talk drug and weapon smuggling, well, that is another issue altogether.

Edited April 21, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[spookyturtle 9,466]

That would leave Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas for you to worry about, along with the entire Canadian border. California's border is fairly secure, BTW, thanks to the CAL-ARNG that improved the border with access roads, stadium lights, and a barrier fence, that finally extends into the ocean. That is why Arizona is having such a tough time keeping their border secure.

Now if you want to talk drug and weapon smuggling, well, that is another issue altogether.

Don't worry about the Canadian border, Gary can take care of that.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That would leave Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas for you to worry about, along with the entire Canadian border. California's border is fairly secure, BTW, thanks to the CAL-ARNG that improved the border with access roads, stadium lights, and a barrier fence, that finally extends into the ocean. That is why Arizona is having such a tough time keeping their border secure.

Now if you want to talk drug and weapon smuggling, well, that is another issue altogether.

NP, we build a giant wall w/mine field along the entire southern border...less California of course seeing how it would be it's own entire independent country. This way tens of millions of immigrants can over run California and cave in their budget even more so than it already is, and California gets to teach all the little immigrant children in it's "How to be gay" classes in California public schools. It's a win win situation for both the US and California.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

NP, we build a giant wall w/mine field along the entire southern border...less California of course seeing how it would be it's own entire independent country. This way tens of millions of immigrants can over run California and cave in their budget even more so than it already is, and California gets to teach all the little immigrant children in it's "How to be gay" classes in California public schools. It's a win win situation for both the US and California.

The rest of the US would starve, have to buy their produce all year round from Latin American countries, get all their cotton from Egypt, drink crappy French wine, and toxic laden Wisconsin cheese, buy their rice from Japan and Thailand, and pay a surtax almost every high tech gadget and entertainment media they watch or listen too. Bring it on!

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Illegals? Why? They are breaking our laws.

You are an upstanding guy, looking for work, everywhere, but can't find any. Your wife is hungry, and so is your child who's looking at you with her blue eyes. You see a loaf of bread on the other side of the street, in a store that is loaded with everything anybody could even dream about in their wildest dreams. You run, grab the bread and feed your child, then your wife, and then you get caught!

You plead that you did what you did out of necessity, the pure will to survive and to feed your family, but the mob yells: cut off his arm, he broke our laws!

Edited April 21, 2011 by Just Bob

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

The rest of the US would starve, have to buy their produce all year round from Latin American countries, get all their cotton from Egypt, drink crappy French wine, and toxic laden Wisconsin cheese, buy their rice from Japan and Thailand, and pay a surtax almost every high tech gadget and entertainment media they watch or listen too. Bring it on!

LOL... California cost more $ than it makes. They are about to claim bankruptcy which will cost the US tax payer millions.

You don't think California will sell produce to the US to help pay for their millions of new found immigrants ? LOL..h*ll ya they will.

You are an upstanding guy, looking for work, everywhere, but can't find any. Your wife is hungry, and so is your child who's looking at you with her blue eyes. You see a loaf of bread on the other side of the street, in a store that is loaded with everything anybody could even dream about in their wildest dreams. You run, grab the bread and feed your child, then your wife, and then you get caught!

You plead that you did what you did out of necessity, the pure will to survive and to feed your family, but the mob yells: cut off his arm, he broke our laws!

What country does this happen in ?

[TBoneTX 45,961]

Returning to Spooky's original question (sigh, man): In 2005, I talked to the supervisor of a fence-building company who said that he was trying to finish all of his scheduled jobs by Thanksgiving... because he said, "When the holidays come, my workers get themselves deported so they can go home. Our work can start up again after the New Year."

I've also heard that a lot of illegals will stay in the U.S. for many years (the longest that I heard was 20 years), earning money. Some money is sent to the home country, but most is saved so that the illegals can return to their country and start businesses.

I will say that, on the basis of what I've seen, Hispanic workers in my area work hard, diligently, and well, and for fair rates. I don't know their immigration status. I can't always guess on the basis of their English-speaking skills (the reasons why these skills might be limited would be a subject for another thread). In regard to such workers with whom I've had closer interaction (usually contracted for by Mrs. T-B.), I've asked Mrs. T-B. (out of curiosity), "Is he legal?" She invariably looks irritated and says "I didn't ASK him!"

One young handyman did some yardwork and outdoor construction work for us. It took him all day, working solo and hard. He returned the next day (a Sunday morning, with his sweet, pregnant wife and toddler son sitting in his small pickup-truck while he worked) to clean up the yard debris -- in heavy rain -- and cart the bags of it somewhere. He was soaked to the skin, with grass and bark and mulch clinging to him, and his only concern was whether we were completely satisfied with his work. Mrs. T-B. and I looked at each other, and we promptly paid him an extra $50. Again, I don't know whether he was illegal, or not.

I really wish that I could speak and understand Spanish so that I could learn more about these people and their lives, si man.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Returning to Spooky's original question (sigh, man): In 2005, I talked to the supervisor of a fence-building company who said that he was trying to finish all of his scheduled jobs by Thanksgiving... because he said, "When the holidays come, my workers get themselves deported so they can go home. Our work can start up again after the New Year."

I've also heard that a lot of illegals will stay in the U.S. for many years (the longest that I heard was 20 years), earning money. Some money is sent to the home country, but most is saved so that the illegals can return to their country and start businesses.

I will say that, on the basis of what I've seen, Hispanic workers in my area work hard, diligently, and well, and for fair rates. I don't know their immigration status. I can't always guess on the basis of their English-speaking skills (the reasons why these skills might be limited would be a subject for another thread). In regard to such workers with whom I've had closer interaction (usually contracted for by Mrs. T-B.), I've asked Mrs. T-B. (out of curiosity), "Is he legal?" She invariably looks irritated and says "I didn't ASK him!"

One young handyman did some yardwork and outdoor construction work for us. It took him all day, working solo and hard. He returned the next day (a Sunday morning, with his sweet, pregnant wife and toddler son sitting in his small pickup-truck while he worked) to clean up the yard debris -- in heavy rain -- and cart the bags of it somewhere. He was soaked to the skin, with grass and bark and mulch clinging to him, and his only concern was whether we were completely satisfied with his work. Mrs. T-B. and I looked at each other, and we promptly paid him an extra $50. Again, I don't know whether he was illegal, or not.

Your wife is right thinking. Asking someone their resident status is not your responsibility, IMO, unless you are an actual employer.

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

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