RFE - Proof of having met - (pictures on cd) [edited title]

[james+jamie 0]

hi guys long time reader first time poster

we recived our hard copy of our rfe today and the csc is requesting proof of meeting in the last two years we had included twenty plus photos of us together however none of those had dates imprinted on them.

the only ones we have with dates are those we took this christmass and those happen by chance to have dates (she got a new camera for christmass)

so my question is can you send your photos on cd as the date that each photo is taken is in the detail section of the photo ???

any other ideas are very welcome

[max+patricia 24]

We printed 4x pictures on a page, 5 pages total, with a caption below each picture indicating month, year, location. I seriously doubt USCIS is going to load a CD into their computer containing who knows what.

However, if they are asking for proof of meeting - they are not asking for pictures. They want real deal documentation that shows you were both in the same country at the same time. Passport stamps, boarding passes, train tickets, boat tickets, bank statements, etc.

[Penguin_ie 5,997]

No you cannot send a CD.

Photos are good, but they are secondary evidence, and more for bonafide relationship proof than proof of meeting. Did you send any primary evidence (passport stamps, airline tickets etc)?

[Aztec&Taino 144]

hi guys long time reader first time poster

we recived our hard copy of our rfe today and the csc is requesting proof of meeting in the last two years we had included twenty plus photos of us together however none of those had dates imprinted on them.

the only ones we have with dates are those we took this christmass and those happen by chance to have dates (she got a new camera for christmass)

so my question is can you send your photos on cd as the date that each photo is taken is in the detail section of the photo ???

any other ideas are very welcome

Pictures are not proof of meeting because they could be easily "manufactured" in these Photoshop days. As your RFE probably says, actual proof would be: Boarding passes showing visiting each other's countries, PASSPORT STAMPS (proving entering and leaving each other's countries), or if you met in a third country submit copies of both of your passports to show that you were in this 3rd country at the same time. I would also advise you to send in a complete set of copies of ALL pages in your passport.

[Inky 1,111]

No CDs or any type of electronic media. They will not look at it and cannot use it. It would be thrown out.

As others have said tho they are not looking for pictures, they are looking for evidence you met in person.

[C&Vw 0]

No CDs or any type of electronic media. They will not look at it and cannot use it. It would be thrown out.

As others have said tho they are not looking for pictures, they are looking for evidence you met in person.

Hi,

Have a free program online that can put the caption for you, put sometimes when you print the pictures it cut the date. Well it happened to us. So we just did on the simple way, we just wrote with a black ink pen the date and the place we were on the picture and it work well for us. We didn't get any RFE. I hope it helps!!! =)

Edited April 16, 2011 by C&Vw

[james+jamie 0]

i didnt think they would accept a cd just an idea thats all

what we did send included but was not limited to

about twenty photos

full copys of both our passports showing passport stamps

any airline tickets we had

we are truly confused as every thing that you guys suggest was included in the first package its almost like we got a rfe with out the package been opened at all !!!!!

Edited April 16, 2011 by james+jamie

[KiwiBird 132]

Photos don't matter as much to them. Stamps in your passports matter more. (Include the entire passport... I photocopied my entire one, including the front and back covers!)

Also, when you say you included "airline tickets"... were they boarding passes or just printed e-Tickets or printed itineraries? Anyone can buy a ticket somewhere and print out the itinerary or ticket without having boarded the plane. Try actual boarding passes if you haven't.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

hi guys long time reader first time poster

we recived our hard copy of our rfe today and the csc is requesting proof of meeting in the last two years we had included twenty plus photos of us together however none of those had dates imprinted on them.

the only ones we have with dates are those we took this christmass and those happen by chance to have dates (she got a new camera for christmass)

so my question is can you send your photos on cd as the date that each photo is taken is in the detail section of the photo ???

any other ideas are very welcome

They do not accept CDs.

Photos do not need dates. With our petition we sent ONE photo with no date stamp and were approved in 2 months without an RFE. There have been plenty of petitions approved with -0- photos. Photos are secondary evidence and you sent 20 of them which is about 19 more than you need. Date stamps are programmed in the camera by the user. Date stamps are proof of nothing, even photos can be photoshopped. Dates on CDs are meaningless also. Most of mine say January 1, 1980 (????)

Dates on photos are NOT accepted as proof of meeting within two years.

Unless the RFE specifically requests photos with dates (it doesn't) then you had best be thinking along the lines of primary evidence of meeting. I would be looking for passport stamps, copies of boarding passes, etc. Photos aren't doing it for you.

Hi,

Have a free program online that can put the caption for you, put sometimes when you print the pictures it cut the date. Well it happened to us. So we just did on the simple way, we just wrote with a black ink pen the date and the place we were on the picture and it work well for us. We didn't get any RFE. I hope it helps!!! =)

This is why they do not accept dates on photos.

[LookyWhatIFound 38]

i didnt think they would accept a cd just an idea thats all

what we did send included but was not limited to

about twenty photos

full copys of both our passports showing passport stamps

any airline tickets we had

we are truly confused as every thing that you guys suggest was included in the first package its almost like we got a rfe with out the package been opened at all !!!!!

If you got an RFE, something may have made them suspicious, 20 pictures are quite a lot, 4 good ones, also pictures with the fiance and fiances family, would have been enough, but do they prove they were within 2 years? If one of you lives in Ireland and the other has passport stamps in Ireland doesn't prove you two met in Ireland.

If you don't have anything good enough, what I personally would do in this situation is go there to Ireland ASAP, and get the evidence done right so as there's no question about it. But then I don't really know if evidence after sending the package would count?

P.S. Maybe you could both stay at a hotel with both your names on the hotel receipt ( just a thought).

Edited April 17, 2011 by LookyWhatIFound

[LookyWhatIFound 38]

Oh by the way, I'm not sure most people realize this, but nowadays in the EU passport stamps mean very little. Thats because you only get stamped for the first EU country, which may not be your final EU destination. Then when you fly to your final EU destination your passport will not get stamped.

So you probably will not have a stamp for the country where you are meeting your fiance in the EU.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

The canned RFE for proof of meeting does frequently mention "film dated photos". This archaic concept comes from a time when all photo cameras used film, and a date imprinted on the film by the camera was difficult to forge without access to a fully equipped darkroom. Digital photo editing didn't exist yet. Sure, you could just change the date in the camera, but the only time that would be useful was if you knew in advance that you were taking the photo more than two years before you were going to file the I-129F. That scenario would be pretty rare. More likely, someone would be looking at a photo they took more than two years ago and wondering how to make it look like it was taken more recently.

There is nothing about a modern digital photo that isn't extremely easy to edit, from the timestamp that specifies when the file itself was created to the date buried in the EXIF data which is displayed when you view "details" about the file on a computer. USCIS usually does want to know when a photo was taken, but they're usually willing to take your word for it if the primary evidence supports your claim. Just write the date, place, and who appears in the photo on the back. If you're printing multiple photos on a sheet then add captions that include this info.

USCIS has been known to lose evidence, especially if it's included in a way that would make it difficult to attach to the binder folders they use for petition files (loose photos??). There have been people who have sent copies of their relevant evidence with the petition, got an RFE, resent the exact same evidence, and were approved.

Send whatever evidence you've got, but focus on the primary evidence. If there's anything you held back - boarding passes, ATM receipts, hotel receipts, credit card receipts, etc. then send it this time. You don't need to go overboard with the pictures, but it would help if you sent at least a few pictures that were obviously taken in the country where you claim the meeting took place, such as near a well known landmark.

For what it's worth, USCIS is involved in an ongoing program to revise their canned RFE statements, and provide a wider selection of more specific statements to adjudicators so that petitioners won't be left scratching their heads trying to figure out what the adjudicator is asking for.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Oh by the way, I'm not sure most people realize this, but nowadays in the EU passport stamps mean very little. Thats because you only get stamped for the first EU country, which may not be your final EU destination. Then when you fly to your final EU destination your passport will not get stamped.

So you probably will not have a stamp for the country where you are meeting your fiance in the EU.

Boarding passes, hotel receipts, restaraunt receipts, etc. Somehow americans manage to marry Canadians and there is no passport stamp when we visit Canada either.

Photos just don't get it without other stuff to back it up

[baron555 934]

Boarding passes, hotel receipts, restaraunt receipts, etc. Somehow americans manage to marry Canadians and there is no passport stamp when we visit Canada either.

Photos just don't get it without other stuff to back it up

You DO HAVE other stuff....don't you?

[pushbrk 13,169]

Your RFE will explain the difference between primary and secondary evidence. Pay attention to it and be sure to provide some primary evidence of meeting in person within the two years preceding the date of petition filing. Photos are NOT primary evidence of meeting within two years.