Actual "man hours" in processing K1 or K3 Visa

[baron555 934]

Be happy the government is inefficient. There's nothing more scary than an efficient government.

Don't understand the meaning of the above statement. They are efficient if they only need 20 minutes to process the application.

If you are insinuating that waiting over 5 months for this 20 minutes of fame is too long, then you can write to your congressmen to pass a law to increase the staff of USCIS and therefore reduce the overall wait time......but you'd have to convince your fellow voting citizens that they additional taxes we all would have to fork over to pay for the bigger government is worth you waiting less.

We have all the power in our hands.

[Captain Hammer 113]

I'm just making a general statement is all. Efficient governments are scary, in general.

I *do* think waiting over 5 months is too long, but it's not something I feel strongly enough about to get politically active about. Heck, I barely feel strongly enough about it to write about it in a post on the internet.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

In a regional forum one usually expects specific information from people, such as those experienced with the consulates for the region, or even which bus to take from the Kiev train station to the medical exam clinic, for example.

There is a forum for general comments on the government. General comments are fairly useless in a regional forum.

All of us here have entered into realtionships with foreign women/men, some from the FSU. That involves a certain about of government red tape and BS. If you thought otherwise, you will be disappointed and stressed. Most stress is from unrealisitic expectations. It would be great if the government gave s a tracking number like Fedex and guaranteed overnight delivery of a petition that takes 20 minutes to process, but they don't. They don;t because they do not have to. Fedex does because they HAVE to. UPS will if they don't. You have no alternative visa delivery options and they really couldn't care less if you are updated.

If you think the NOA2 is the end, you are in for another disappointment, it is not even the beginning or the beginning of the beginning. For the next four years at least you will be documenting, collecting evidence, filing papers, waiting for NOAs (HOLY #######! I have so many I-797C letters!)

So buck up! You found a lovely/handsome FSU woman/man, your prince charming or maid Marion-skaya. You are going to have many many years of love and warmth. This is just a nuisance, nothing more.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Actually it as at it's most efficient.....to be able to do all that work in about 20 minutes (more for California and their coffee clutches.....that makes sense for them).

The real issue is all those petitions... the overall process could be quicker if they didn't allow so may petitions to be filed.......but then......how would you determine who got on the list for that year and not?

You are not allowing for when someone runs into the CSC barefoot and yells "Surf's Up!"

Seriously, you want to make a stink with the government...they will likely eliminate K-1 visas altogether. That HAS been discussed in the past. The US is one of very few countries that allow such a thing so easily. When you push the post office on efficiency they close post offices. Many countries offer MUCH faster service for family visas but allow ONLY visas for husband/wife, not for fiancees.

Government's answer is ALWAYS "raise taxes" OR "cut services" it is the only thing they CAN do.

I'm just making a general statement is all. Efficient governments are scary, in general.

How so?

[Captain Hammer 113]

How so?

Very efficient government usually comes as a result of single-minded ideology. It comes at the cost of serving the collective over the individual, especially "special cases." You want your government to be inefficient to a point, because it means that there are competing interests driving that inefficiency.

Edited April 16, 2011 by Captain Hammer

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Very efficient government usually comes as a result of single-minded ideology. It comes at the cost of serving the collective over the individual, especially "special cases." You want your government to be inefficient to a point, because it means that there are competing interests driving that inefficiency.

So then the Soviet government would have been the most efficient ever.

You are wrong and cannot cite any examples. The most efficient government is SMALL.

[Captain Hammer 113]

So then the Soviet government would have been the most efficient ever.

You are wrong and cannot cite any examples. The most efficient government is SMALL.

Ok good job, you win.

[baron555 934]

It comes at the cost of serving the collective over the individual, especially "special cases." Y

Karl would be proud of you. And you talk about not being political? !!!!!

[Captain Hammer 113]

Karl would be proud of you. And you talk about not being political? !!!!!

I don't think I understand what you're saying. If you think I'm making the case for Marxism, nothing could be further from the truth.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Let's say, for instance, that a spouse from whatever country got their green card in November 2009, as an example. Then filing for removal of conditions would result in a rejection if it was done before August of 2011. Because USCIS is trying to be efficient and not tie up adjudicators with cases which are not due any benefits. Someoe filing an I-751 more than 90 days before the conditional green card expires would be, actually, adding to the problem and making other people wait longer while it is determined that their case is in need of rejection.

People who are actually participating in the process of family based immigration need to pay attention to those things so as not to make things worse for others.

THAT would help with government efficiency.

[Ellie-n-Vladimir 3]

All those background checks are included in the instant check system. they enter your names and ID numbers and have an answer in 30 seconds. If it is clear you are good to go. If not, you get tossed for someone else to check. They go down a checklist as they go through your file, if what they need is there, you are approved. the vasy majority of files get handled ONCE for about 20 minutes, then get approved or tossed for RFEs. That's it. You are free to dwell on what "could" happen or you can be informed of what "does" happen. Your choice.

One of Alla's friends IS an adjudicator, I am not guessing.

Sounds they only care about doc presence, clear background, and nothing else..? Weird.

Than20 min is too much

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Sounds they only care about doc presence, clear background, and nothing else..? Weird.

Than20 min is too much

Why on earth is that wierd? It is exactly what the petition is to determine, that you meet the qualifications to APPLY for a K-1 visa. That is all. Given the extremely simple requirements, why would it possibly be more involved? How difficult should it be to determine the petitioner is a citizen, they have met in person within the last two years and they are free to marry and the petitioner has no criminal record that would hinder the petition? That's all you have to do. Approved.

20 minutes allows for coffee breaks, web surfing, IMing each other and basic office grab@ss. The average adjudicator processes 20-24 cases in a 10 hour day, they have 1 hour for lunch and 2, 15 minute breaks which all get extended a bit beyond what they should be like in every other cube farm office in the world. The math is pretty simple.

[Ellie-n-Vladimir 3]

20 minutes allows for coffee breaks, web surfing, IMing each other and basic office grab@ss.

Arguable, I have to learn the standard adjudicator procedures.. Weird was in a sense it’s a big disconnect how they do and how it’s described in the Manual, i.e. spend hrs to determine possible fraud, double hrs to realize no terrorism involvement, plenty of time to mine if all supporting docs are authentic and unaltered , no mess with name translations [example: one was born in FSU with name1, died in Ukraine with name2 ]), etc.. NO coffee breaks. External IMs & Web are blocked.

[Captain Hammer 113]

Whatever the times or what happens during those times, it really doesn't matter. The processing times are the processing times, and we might as well be speculating on the nature of the universe or the meaning of life when we speculate on what's happening during those times. When we filed, we didn't have the benefit of being able to see others' timelines because we hadn't discovered VJ yet. We kind of figured it would be about 6 months, although I don't remember how we reached that conclusion. But for anyone still waiting, the VJ timelines should provide a rough estimate. It's best to not even think about it during that time. Instead just get on with life, keep the relationship up, make the home ready for her arrival, and be patient.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Arguable, I have to learn the standard adjudicator procedures.. Weird was in a sense its a big disconnect how they do and how its described in the Manual, i.e. spend hrs to determine possible fraud, double hrs to realize no terrorism involvement, plenty of time to mine if all supporting docs are authentic and unaltered , no mess with name translations [example: one was born in FSU with name1, died in Ukraine with name2 ]), etc.. NO coffee breaks. External IMs & Web are blocked.

whenever i am faced with the choice of believeing a person that does the job and sits at my dinner table and describes it to me and a field manual...I go with the field manual I found online.

If it helps to magine your petition is doing something besides sitting in a box for 6 months...ok.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Gary and Alla