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[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Some Men in the US have a hard time finding a beautiful, serious woman that want them with all their obvious flaws. That's not a stereotype, it's the truth.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My wife has pretty much confirmed this.

My wife had resigned herself to a few "buddies" since she couldn't find one good one to be a boyfriend/husband. The statistics in Gary's post above pretty much confirmed what she said. She stopped looking for "serious" men and just picked a few for fun. Of course, they were either older and married or younger and stupid. Either way, they weren't anything serious.

Ignorant? Not necessarily. There is some truth to saying, "it is a lot more difficult to find a good partner" and that's why we're a good match. Women in the FSU have a hard time finding a stable, dependable man. Men in the US have a hard time finding a beautiful, serious woman. That's not a stereotype, it's the truth.

The above was told to me by Alla's Ukrainian girlfriend who is seeking a husband (if anyone is interested I have photos, but she is very tall, like 6' 2" and wants a man that is taller than her. not gay, not a drunk, and not married) Alla thinks it is true but she never used an online dating site. I think it is true just because I spent so much time with Ukrainian men. Most of which were uneducated laborers but many of which were educated engineers, managers, government officials, etc. I saw little difference other than the price of vodka they drink and whether they smoked Marlboros at 4 UAH per pack or the bolshevik firecrackers at 2.5 UAH per pack. (2004-2006 prices)

The situation in the last quote is exactly why the FSU is such a taget rich atmosphere for American men. Even with all our flaws, we are far more likely to be sober, loyal and devoted to our families, have stable adequate income to support a family (not to say "rich", but able to support a family)

Edited April 17, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

And it is not the men's fault.

[ONA 133]

My wife had resigned herself to a few "buddies" since she couldn't find one good one to be a boyfriend/husband. The statistics in Gary's post above pretty much confirmed what she said. She stopped looking for "serious" men and just picked a few for fun. Of course, they were either older and married or younger and stupid. Either way, they weren't anything serious.

My buddies are to watch soccer together and talk. I never looked at them in any different way, I've known them since I was 15-16, so basically... we grew up together. By now they all are either married or have girlfriends. So you're talking about a completely different situation, I was never looking for any kind of "fun".

Ignorant? Not necessarily. There is some truth to saying, "it is a lot more difficult to find a good partner" and that's why we're a good match. Women in the FSU have a hard time finding a stable, dependable man. Men in the US have a hard time finding a beautiful, serious woman. That's not a stereotype, it's the truth.

I'm pretty sure a lot of decent American women and Russian men also have troubles finding a good match. I wonder why

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I'm pretty sure a lot of decent American women and Russian men also have troubles finding a good match. I wonder why

Because American men are marrying RUB women.

The solutuion would seem to be to give Russian men VWP status and have each of them return to Russia with an American woman.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[ONA 133]

Because American men are marrying RUB women.

The solutuion would seem to be to give Russian men VWP status and have each of them return to Russia with an American woman.

I don't like the whole concept... You shouldn't get married to an "American" or a "Russian" or whoever...

You get married to the best person for you. Mine happened to be American. I never even liked American guys before I met him. It just happened that the right person for me was born in the States.

But I don't understand marrying or not marrying somebody just cause they belong or don't belong to a certain nation and then bragging about it... And I don't understand assuming that it's harder or easier to find a good wife/husband somewhere. It's all the same. Just because your wives didn't meet any decent men in FSU doesn't mean that they don't exist.

All decent 35+ year old men in FSU are happily married though and have no intentions of leaving their wives and children. And they DON'T use dating websites.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I don't like the whole concept... You shouldn't get married to an "American" or a "Russian" or whoever...

You get married to the best person for you.

Thats what I did.

[slim 1,525]

Here in the RUB forum we post what we mean and don't need little girls to change our posts for us.

If you have something to say, then say it.

Just because your wives didn't meet any decent men in FSU doesn't mean that they don't exist.

All decent 35+ year old men in FSU are happily married though and have no intentions of leaving their wives and children. And they DON'T use dating websites.

So which is it? Are there no decent men available or do they in fact exist and they're all taken?

Either way, there's a huge disparity in the number of men coming to the US to marry American women and the number of women coming to the US to marry American men. Why is that?

I'm not arguing the semantics of it or any moral decisions or whatever. I'm simply stating that it does in fact happen - in large numbers, I might add - and there's a reason for it. Care to unwrap some of those reasons?

[dogspot 90]

So which is it? Are there no decent men available or do they in fact exist and they're all taken?

Either way, there's a huge disparity in the number of men coming to the US to marry American women and the number of women coming to the US to marry American men. Why is that?

I'm not arguing the semantics of it or any moral decisions or whatever. I'm simply stating that it does in fact happen - in large numbers, I might add - and there's a reason for it. Care to unwrap some of those reasons?

Maybe it's because of our exotic accents when we *try* to speak Russian.

[mckay76 11]

Here in the RUB forum we post what we mean and don't need little girls to change our posts for us.

If you have something to say, then say it.

So which is it? Are there no decent men available or do they in fact exist and they're all taken?

Either way, there's a huge disparity in the number of men coming to the US to marry American women and the number of women coming to the US to marry American men. Why is that?

I'm not arguing the semantics of it or any moral decisions or whatever. I'm simply stating that it does in fact happen - in large numbers, I might add - and there's a reason for it. Care to unwrap some of those reasons?

[eekee 182]

Here in the RUB forum we post what we mean and don't need little girls to change our posts for us.

If you have something to say, then say it.

So which is it? Are there no decent men available or do they in fact exist and they're all taken?

Either way, there's a huge disparity in the number of men coming to the US to marry American women and the number of women coming to the US to marry American men. Why is that?

I'm not arguing the semantics of it or any moral decisions or whatever. I'm simply stating that it does in fact happen - in large numbers, I might add - and there's a reason for it. Care to unwrap some of those reasons?

Women don't have to, unless you look in the MENA forum.

Men can go abroad and get a ten as a five.

[ONA 133]

So which is it? Are there no decent men available or do they in fact exist and they're all taken?

there are decent men, but if you don't get one when he's young it's going to become harder and harder.

Either way, there's a huge disparity in the number of men coming to the US to marry American women and the number of women coming to the US to marry American men. Why is that?

Did you not read what I said? Decent guys from Russia do not go on dating websites to find love.

And now try to count how many websites promise you a "beautiful RUB wife" (those websites freak me out though... looks like women are on sale there...)

American girls seem to like RUB guys though. When I was working in Annapolis in 2008 there were a lot of Ukrainian male lifeguards and American girls tried to hit on them all the time. I've never seen them going on dates though, and they were saying all the time that they had girlfriends back in Ukraine, so they weren't interested.

At the same time, I remember some RUB girls, who had their boyfriends back in their homecountries, but they didn't see any reason why they couldn't date American guys I can't stand this kind of girls, cause that's exactly why people get the wrong idea about RUB girls.

[eekee 182]

A lot of American girls really like accents. I don't understand why. It just makes it harder for you to understand them. Like if a Scottish guy tried to hit on me or something, I think I'd just get frustrated because I'd have to concentrate to understand what the hell he is saying. Somehow, this is more difficult for me than understanding what a guy is saying to me in Russian.

Also, if the girl was hot enough, I am sure that "Ukrainian girlfriend" would have been conveniently placed in the back of their mind somewhere.

Edited April 18, 2011 by eekee

[ONA 133]

Also, if the girl was hot enough, I am sure that "Ukrainian girlfriend" would have been conveniently placed in the back of their mind somewhere.

Depends on a guy, though, not on his nationality. If anybody says to me that American men are all "angels" and none of them would cheat on their wife or girlfriend, I will call that person a liar.

[eekee 182]

Well, there is certainly more acceptance of it in Russia. I've never had an American guy friend say to me that they had a fight with their girlfriend that day and therefore they are going to go to the bar and find some girl to go home with that night, which is a regular occurence among my guy friends. Obviously people cheat everywhere, but American culture tends to be more conservative in these matters.