Socialism is self interest (Capitalism )

[Captain Oates 911]

Seriously, shut up. Don't post that pertisan drivel and expect an actual response.

Social Security and medicare aren't paid from (well not supposed to be paid from) your normal 'income taxes' They have their own separate catagory in case you did not realize that. Not only that, anyone who works pays into it for their own benefit.

It's compeltely dishonest to say 'take money away and give to the rich' in this case right here.

Seriously, learn a little more about what you are talking about before posting that #######.

The proposal of the right is to take the social security pot and give it to the banks to look after and not to guarantee a top-up if they steal it.

When the population learn that, they will not vote for it.

Did you have any subsidies when you learned to spell ? If so, then that would be the best evidence that you are correct about educational subsidies not being effective.

[The Dude 206]

Yeah... BUT Paul is the one making sense in this conversation.

I must not have got my decoder ring yet. Sounds like this to me:

[mawilson 2,133]

I was lucky enough to be born in socialist country and the socialist government gave me (yes GAVE me)

A Health. A Free health system with no qualifying period, contribution record, deductible, pre - existing conditions, annual limit, condition limit. I grew up tall and strong and healthy with no fear of sickness. I never paid a penny for health costs. Not one penny.

B Good schooling. I was schooled at a 'Grammar School' which was free. No weapons checks/drugs or fees.

C I got university training. I was working and the government gave me a grant to go to University and do Professional Training. I actually got a 25% raise compared to my wage and I worked tax free in the holidays

The UK is broke today because the government has been giving away

freebies for decades.

You were lucky to get a free education; today's students are not

so lucky.

Your generation drained the economy in pursuit of the welfare dream.

Congratulations, you were very fortunate with your timing, much like

many of the current crop of crybaby-boomers who won the date-of-birth

lottery.

[Captain Oates 911]

The UK is broke today because the government has been giving away

freebies for decades.

You were lucky to get a free education; today's students are not

so lucky.

Your generation drained the economy in pursuit of the welfare dream.

Congratulations, you were very fortunate with your timing, much like

many of the current crop of crybaby-boomers who won the date-of-birth

lottery.

You really did fail to read the first post and you just moved to indulge your own prejudices

Listen carefully - let me repeat my post - in the last year of work , I paid taxes equivalent to TEN TIMES all the subsidies I received !!!!

Can you understand that ? Can you imagine how much I gave back in the other 29 years ?

The only way you could accuse me of taking out and not putting back is if you were too lazy to read the first post

[B_J 2,752]

I must not have got my decoder ring yet. Sounds like this to me:

Come on. You have to admit. This was a really weak argument:

The right wing want to get rid of both programs and give the money to the rich.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The proposal of the right is to take the social security pot and give it to the banks to look after and not to guarantee a top-up if they steal it.

When the population learn that, they will not vote for it.

Did you have any subsidies when you learned to spell ? If so, then that would be the best evidence that you are correct about educational subsidies not being effective.

You are seriously going to come after me for typos when you you're posting that drivel? That's the best you can do?

As I said, educate yourself on the topic at hand before coming in here and posting about it like you are.

You have a lot to learn about Social Security and Medicare as well as a lot to learn about the way it was supposed to be used.

FYI, almost all of our money goes to the 'banks' anyway (see: the FED) in case you had no idea on that one as well.

The US has been in debt for 75 or so years and paying interest ever since.

[B_J 2,752]

You really did fail to read the first post and you just moved to indulge your own prejudices

Listen carefully - let me repeat my post - in the last year of work , I paid taxes equivalent to TEN TIMES all the subsidies I received !!!!

Can you understand that ? Can you imagine how much I gave back in the other 29 years ?

The only way you could accuse me of taking out and not putting back is if you were too lazy to read the first post

Seriously. You're saying all of the "free" health care you received. The education. The university training. The subsidized housing. You paid TEN times that value in taxes in one year. Seriously.

You may want to rethink your math here.

[mawilson 2,133]

Listen carefully - let me repeat my post - in the last year of work , I paid taxes equivalent to TEN TIMES all the subsidies I received !!!!

Alan - I'm not blaming you personally, which is why I said

"your generation" and not "you".

You paid your debt to society in spades, so why do you think

the system is nearly bankrupt?

I'd venture a guess that a lot of people didn't. That's one

of the problems with socialism - instead of focusing on

self-interest as the motivator, it relies on people's interest

in caring for one another, which is a much harder sell.

[Captain Oates 911]

Seriously. You're saying all of the "free" health care you received. The education. The university training. The subsidized housing. You paid TEN times that value in taxes in one year. Seriously.

You may want to rethink your math here.

Maths is me - money is me- it's what I did. It's what I do.

10 times !

Investing in people means more than teaching the Walmart shelf stackers the words to the company song

[B_J 2,752]

Maths is me - money is me- it's what I did. It's what I do.

10 times !

Investing in people means more than teaching the Walmart shelf stackers the words to the company song

Sorry. I didn't know you did the maths. 10 times!

[웃 910]

From Becky "Barrow":

It's even worse than we feared: Cost of national debt to each family is a staggering £138,360

By BECKY BARROW

Last updated at 10:16 AM on 8th April 2011

Britain's debt mountain is the equivalent of £138,360 for each household in the country, research reveals today.

The national debt is even larger than initially feared, according to a think-tank.

Official figures, from the Office for National Statistics, show the total public sector debt is estimated to be £876billion, equal to £33,100 per household.

If the debt from the banks rescued by the State is included, the figure balloons to £2,252billion, according to the ONS.

The banks are Lloyds Banking Group, Royal Bank of Scotland, Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley, which have all been rescued since February 2008.

But the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank says in a report that the real figure is £3,617billion, which is four times larger than the original 'bank-free' figure.

That is the equivalent of £138,360 each if it were divided between all the 26million households in the country. It is also the equivalent of 240 per cent of Britain's economic output.

'We have to be honest with taxpayers about the true extent of the liabilities. Otherwise, it is Enron accounting.'Brooks Newmark, Tory MP and co-author of the report, The Hidden Debt Bombshell, said: 'The size of the country's debt is bad, but actually it is even worse than people think.

This is a reference to the American energy giant which collapsed into bankruptcy a decade ago after a web of false accounting was uncovered.

Experts said the figures highlight the urgent need to sort out Britain's debts or risk a financial crisis like the one unfolding in Portugal. The CPS report says Britain's debts are larger because three vital factors are excluded from the Government's accounts.

The biggest is the cost of the unfunded public sector pension liability, estimated by the CPS to be £1,180billion, although latest Government estimates say it is far lower at £770billion.

This is the cost of paying the cost of the 'pension promises' that have been made to state workers, who account for one in five of the workforce, such as teachers and NHS workers.

It also excludes the debt from public projects paid for under the private finance initiative, which are estimated to be £169billion, and the debts of Network Rail, estimated to be around £24billion.

Mr Newmark said: 'It is clear that the extent of UK indebtedness is such that the Coalition must be relentless in its efforts to cut the deficit as quickly as possible.'

http://www.dailymail...ng-138-360.html

Edited April 11, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Captain Oates 911]

Alan - I'm not blaming you personally, which is why I said

"your generation" and not "you".

You paid your debt to society in spades, so why do you think

the system is nearly bankrupt?

I'd venture a guess that a lot of people didn't. That's one

of the problems with socialism - instead of focusing on

self-interest as the motivator, it relies on people's interest

in caring for one another, which is a much harder sell.

When public health departments were set up and capped drinking wells that had cholera in them - everyone benefited.

That was socialism as it was done with tax money. Public funds, not private.

These right wingers will close environmental and food safety departments because they don't care. Appealing for them to care will not work as right wingers are lower than whale poo. Only telling them it's cheaper and more profitable to do public works will have any significance to them

It happens to be true and that's why mill owners in 1835 built mills with libraries and health centers - it wasn't philanthropy - it actually gave them literate and healthy workers. Enlightened capitalism seems to have died out with Reagan and Thatcher.

[mawilson 2,133]

It's even worse than we feared: Cost of national debt to each family is a staggering £138,360

It's scary, I know.

[Captain Oates 911]

It's scary, I know.

A lot of it was spent shoring up banks that had lost their money to the US banks collapse

It sure wasn't student grants

The UK should sue the US SEC like Madoff's victims did

[mawilson 2,133]

A lot of it was spent shoring up banks that had lost their money to the US banks collapse

It sure wasn't student grants

You're so good at maths, prove it.

Compare A) the amount of money that was spent shoring up the banks, and B) the UK's national debt.