Politics & Religion Organizer Needed

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alas - by the time it's POLICY, it's NOT political.

Sure - was political PRIOR to becoming policy, but after declared policy? NOPE, not political any more.

This is the 'definition' Darnell is using to move threads out of P&R and into other forums.

It is actually quite common for political forums and websites to include conversation about existing policy. Darnell seems to not realize this, or does not care. He's a one man army on a idiosyncratic mission to reshape this little corner of the Internet in his own vision.

Yup, that's how it rolls.

One small suggestion - if you HAVE a political topic, be certain to INCLUDE any political things ABOUT IT - some examples:

-MoveOn PAC said, "..." so Sen. Lugar voted NO on S.B. 114, which then affected the short term funding for the Lake Shumdy project, thus resulting in 10,000 tree frogs dying over the weekend.

--La Raza funded over 200K to the Hispanic Caucus in the House of Representives last quarter, and the Dream Act was still overturned...

I only ask that you make it political with cause and effect - so that it's clearly political to the majority of non-political ppl that browse through the P & R forum. It's not that difficult to get the connection, I know you can do it !

but - your particular 'examples' of 'existing policy' really weren't examples of existing policy - I ask that you work a bit harder on it, to clearly identify that is IS existing policy. (If it's a law already, it's way past the policy stage, so bring up some of the prior debate whilst it was still up for the vote, there ya got it covered)

Here's an example of YOU actually making a valuable post in the P & R forum - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/300337-national-weather-service-gop-budget-cuts-will-require-furloughs-at-tsunami-warning-centers/

Hang in there ! You'll get there, eventually !!

Pulling this out and highlighting it, in the event that this does become the operative definition of Politics for purposes of posting in P&R.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Pulling this out and highlighting it, in the event that this does become the operative definition of Politics for purposes of posting in P&R.

Far as I know, this still is the policy:

Moving Guide

When Not to Move:

There will always be overlap between forums so often a topic may fit equally well in both. If this is the case the topic should remain in the original forum it was posted in.

If a topic contains issues that are related to more than one forum(s) theme but however the initial AND primary topic relates to the Forum it is currently in then the topic should not be moved.

If a topic seems out of place but does not have a clear forum it could be moved to, then it should be left where it was posted.

Example: Person A discusses a general K1 question but then also talks about Adjustment of Status and other issues. In this case the topic should remain in the K1 forum since their initial and primary topic was K1 related but then they also discussed other issues.

When to move:

The initial AND primary theme of a topic does not fit the description of the Forum it was posted in and another forum's description fits the thread's theme MUCH better. In this case the topic should be moved to the correct Forum.

General Rule:

--o If the initial and primary theme of a topic does not relate to the forum it is in and another forum is MUCH more applicable then it can be moved.

--o If there is any ambiguity or the topic seems vague and clearly does not have another forum that fits MUCH better then leave it where it is.

Special Rules

Topics in the Regional Forums area can contain the following (without being moved):

--o General discussion on issues relating to that relevant region

--o Immigration Discussion of topics specific to that region (ex: special embassy procedures, help on finding local doctors, etc)

--o Off Topic Discussion intended to be of interest to the specific regional forum participants (cultural discussion, local food, travel, etc)

Topics in the Regional Forums area should be moved to the proper forums for

--o Discussions on general immigration steps (especially those steps before and after embassy processing) Note: Do not move topics unless you have read them to be sure they are "general" in nature. Some times they may contain regional issues that may not appear in the topic title. If in doubt, do not move the topic.

[^_^ 5,021]

That also does not address the Darnell policy.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That also does not address the Darnell policy.

No it doesn't. Matter of fact, it does seem to be in conflict.

Edited April 12, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Just cut to the point guys. Ewok, can we please either have Darnell blocked from messing with the forums in question, or have his organizer access removed all together?

Edited April 12, 2011 by Sousuke

[^_^ 5,021]

Just cut to the point guys. Ewok, can we please either have Darnell blocked from messing with the forums in question, or have his organizer access removed all together?

It is conceivable that the definition for politics Darnell is using actually came straight from Captain Ewok or one of the moderators themselves. I don't want to discount the possibility that Darnell is just doing what he's been told to do by the boss men and boss ladies.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

It is conceivable that the definition for politics Darnell is using actually came straight from Captain Ewok or one of the moderators themselves. I don't want to discount the possibility that Darnell is just doing what he's been told to do by the boss men and boss ladies.

[^_^ 5,021]

Hey, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. It is much too easy to jump to the conclusion staring me in the face.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

This is not going to end well. I can tell.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Just cut to the point guys. Ewok, can we please either have Darnell blocked from messing with the forums in question, or have his organizer access removed all together?

Ok for the first and has to be the last time I have to agree with this. We had Kathryn agree with Darnells first idiotic thread move and allow it. Now he seems to have it in his head that his way is paramount over everything else and has a now free hand to set policy and either pis off or get even with what he sees fit to do so. We need Ewok to come in here and tell us this is how it is going to be from here on out. Does an organizer have the ability to keep making boneheaded thread moves with no appeals possible? Darnell has in the past shown a bias and it has seemed to have now that he has free reign to now enforce his bias to the detriment of this board.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Brother Darnell works tirelessly. He almost singlehandedly kept the (otherwise nearly defunct) K-3 forum free of posts that belonged elsewhere. I would not have had that kind of patience. Brother D. is also the best on VJ at keeping track of interesting threads that left off in the middle or went without resolution -- after a couple of weeks, he'll post a reminder of "hey, what happened?" that bumps the thread. I respect him for both of these things.

If a thread is transferred, simply follow it. Going into a non-P&R or non-OT forum won't give us cooties. In fact, I've seen occasional posts in those other fora from some of the P&R/OT regulars, and the contributions have been quite good.

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Brother Darnell works tirelessly. He almost singlehandedly kept the (otherwise nearly defunct) K-3 forum free of posts that belonged elsewhere. I would not have had that kind of patience. Brother D. is also the best on VJ at keeping track of interesting threads that left off in the middle or went without resolution -- after a couple of weeks, he'll post a reminder of "hey, what happened?" that bumps the thread. I respect him for both of these things.

If a thread is transferred, simply follow it. Going into a non-P&R or non-OT forum won't give us cooties. In fact, I've seen occasional posts in those other fora from some of the P&R/OT regulars, and the contributions have been quite good.

Thread moves should be appropriate. What is and isn't appropriate for the Politics forum is what is at debate here. Do you have anything to add to that?

[The Dude 206]

Brother Darnell works tirelessly. He almost singlehandedly kept the (otherwise nearly defunct) K-3 forum free of posts that belonged elsewhere. I would not have had that kind of patience. Brother D. is also the best on VJ at keeping track of interesting threads that left off in the middle or went without resolution -- after a couple of weeks, he'll post a reminder of "hey, what happened?" that bumps the thread. I respect him for both of these things.

If a thread is transferred, simply follow it. Going into a non-P&R or non-OT forum won't give us cooties. In fact, I've seen occasional posts in those other fora from some of the P&R/OT regulars, and the contributions have been quite good.

I don't think you quite grasp the topic at hand here. Nobody has ever questioned Darnell's hard work, just his judgement on moving threads, and his capacity to expand upon the TOS to reflect his own interpretation. You ask whats the big deal with clicking through to another forum? Let me ask you this, why would you even bother to mention his tireless efforts to keep the K-3 forum free of posts that belonged elsewhere if it doesn't matter? I realize that Darnell is your friend or business partner and you feel the need to defend him, but at least contribute something.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Do you have anything to add to that?

The fora aren't always (or perhaps ever) concrete with distinct boundaries. Some subjects will overlap with General Immigration Discussion, for example. People can have differing opinions about where a certain thread might belong. I've personally disagreed with where some threads in the upper fora have been moved, but if an organizer has moved one, I'll simply follow it.

I realize that Darnell is your friend or business partner and you feel the need to defend him, but at least contribute something.

You realize incorrectly or prematurely, Friend Dude. Assumptions...

[^_^ 5,021]

The fora aren't always (or perhaps ever) concrete with distinct boundaries. Some subjects will overlap with General Immigration Discussion, for example. People can have differing opinions about where a certain thread might belong. I've personally disagreed with where some threads in the upper fora have been moved, but if an organizer has moved one, I'll simply follow it.

See the exchange below and tell me if an organizer is, in your opinion, high enough on the VJ food chain to set policy pertaining to what is and isn't appropriate content for a forum.

Yes or no, in your opinion. No further conversation is necessary.

alas - by the time it's POLICY, it's NOT political.

Sure - was political PRIOR to becoming policy, but after declared policy? NOPE, not political any more.

This is the 'definition' Darnell is using to move threads out of P&R and into other forums.

It is actually quite common for political forums and websites to include conversation about existing policy. Darnell seems to not realize this, or does not care. He's a one man army on a idiosyncratic mission to reshape this little corner of the Internet in his own vision.

Yup, that's how it rolls.

One small suggestion - if you HAVE a political topic, be certain to INCLUDE any political things ABOUT IT - some examples:

-MoveOn PAC said, "..." so Sen. Lugar voted NO on S.B. 114, which then affected the short term funding for the Lake Shumdy project, thus resulting in 10,000 tree frogs dying over the weekend.

--La Raza funded over 200K to the Hispanic Caucus in the House of Representives last quarter, and the Dream Act was still overturned...

I only ask that you make it political with cause and effect - so that it's clearly political to the majority of non-political ppl that browse through the P & R forum. It's not that difficult to get the connection, I know you can do it !

but - your particular 'examples' of 'existing policy' really weren't examples of existing policy - I ask that you work a bit harder on it, to clearly identify that is IS existing policy. (If it's a law already, it's way past the policy stage, so bring up some of the prior debate whilst it was still up for the vote, there ya got it covered)

Here's an example of YOU actually making a valuable post in the P & R forum - http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/300337-national-weather-service-gop-budget-cuts-will-require-furloughs-at-tsunami-warning-centers/

Hang in there ! You'll get there, eventually !!