Royal Prenuptual

[Captain Oates 911]

First I saw all that American derision of Paul McCartney for not having prenuptial agreement

Now the TV and web is full of Americans discussion on whether William will have a prenup

Isn't it time someone told America that Prenups are not legal in England and things are different over there in the wide world.

I first met this thinking when my American wife asked me if there was a public holiday in the UK on July 4th

Americans really do think that the whole world has to fall in line with them and they set the standard in everything

If you don't believe me, google 'royal prenup'

ps there is no such thing as U.K. law. There is the 'law of England and Wales' and the 'law of Scotland'

[Amby 490]

[Captain Oates 911]

Edited April 9, 2011 by Alan the Red

[Amby 490]

I don't understand the point of this post. Is it just a rant?

[Fandango 1,439]

I don't understand the point of this post. Is it just a rant?

Don't judge all Americans by your wife's question. No disrespect, but it's an incredibly stupid thing to ask, and not indicative of all Americans' thinking.

[Captain Oates 911]

I don't understand the point of this post. Is it just a rant?

I was noting that once again the US media is promoting ignorance of the world and encouraging the idea that US law applies overseas

The US is famous for it’s isolationism which used to be a national policy and kept it out of both world wars

This insularity breeds ignorance of world affairs and is encouraged by the media in order to increase ratings by presenting sensationalised nonsense as fact. They not only do not inform, but they deliberately misinform which does the American public no favors

I am inviting discussion on this

[Amby 490]

I was noting that once again the US media is promoting ignorance of the world and encouraging the idea that US law applies overseas

The US is famous for it’s isolationism which used to be a national policy and kept it out of both world wars

This insularity breeds ignorance of world affairs and is encouraged by the media in order to increase ratings by presenting sensationalised nonsense as fact. They not only do not inform, but they deliberately misinform which does the American public no favors

I am inviting discussion on this

I was watching the hated Fox News yesterday and they were talking about the laws in England and why a prenup would be pointless

[Captain Oates 911]

Don't judge all Americans by your wife's question. No disrespect, but it's an incredibly stupid thing to ask, and not indicative of all Americans' thinking.

I don't think it's uncommon at all for Americans to believe that American norms are world norms - or at least should be

For instance when I explained that in an English pub you should always add 'please' when ordering a drink, she said 'Hell I am doing them a favor coming in here, why should I say please ?'

The culture differences are too may to note and are an expression of deep seated capitalist versus socialist ideas so that isn’t really my point - I am more pointing out that the US media, whether they know that there is no such thing as an English prenup, will never make an effort to explain that. In other word the media are all about entertainment and making things up, rather than informing and educating and enlightening the public

[Captain Oates 911]

I was watching the hated Fox News yesterday and they were talking about the laws in England and why a prenup would be pointless

You mean FOX was factual ? Now it's my turn to overcome my prejudices

Certainly MSNBC and CNN and ALL the INTERNET never refers to the fact that it has no effect

CNN has gone down greatly in my estimation for the last couple of years and is going all 'reality show' on me

It seems they deliberately make up trash.

I can understand Donald Trump wanting to pick out and distort bits of an interview with O's step grandmother - (an interview conducted on an international phone line using an interpreter)- but the bigger 'news' stations are dumbing the public with their false information

[mawilson 2,133]

Prenups are not legal in England

They are now - you're out of touch.

The Supreme Court ruled in October 2010 for the first time that prenuptial agreements should have "decisive weight" in English divorce courts.

It was a hugely important change in English law.

"Prenups are binding, so long as they are fair. Couples can now decide in the best of times what the outcome should be in the worst of times."

link

[Captain Oates 911]

They are now - you're out of touch.

The Supreme Court ruled in October 2010 for the first time that prenuptial agreements should have "decisive weight" in English divorce courts.

It was a hugely important change in English law.

"Prenups are binding, so long as they are fair. Couples can now decide in the best of times what the outcome should be in the worst of times."

link

NOPE

That case was between two foreigners..

The prenup was made in Germany

The situation is under review but the status quo still applies in ENGLAND generally and prenups are not legal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5723436/Pre-nuptial-agreements-given-recognition-in-English-law.html

The contracts are still not binding under English law, as there is no provision for them under Section 25 of the 1973 Matrimonial Causes Act.

[ONA 133]

I don't think it's uncommon at all for Americans to believe that American norms are world norms - or at least should be

For instance when I explained that in an English pub you should always add 'please' when ordering a drink, she said 'Hell I am doing them a favor coming in here, why should I say please ?'

Not all Americans are like that I am not American myself, but I have some experience working in spheres of restaurant and retail services in the USA and I can say that some Americans think that they "are doing a favor", while others are very polite - I've seen lots of different people for the past 3 summers

There are some people, who ask whether Thanksgiving is celebrated in Russia, but it doesn't mean that everybody is that way. Sometimes Russian people would ask something stupid about the USA, I'm pretty sure that certain kind of people can be found anywhere.

Edited April 10, 2011 by ONA

[Amby 490]

They are now - you're out of touch.

The Supreme Court ruled in October 2010 for the first time that prenuptial agreements should have "decisive weight" in English divorce courts.

It was a hugely important change in English law.

"Prenups are binding, so long as they are fair. Couples can now decide in the best of times what the outcome should be in the worst of times."

link

What they said on TV was they "don't work the same way as they do in the US"

[mawilson 2,133]

NOPE

That case was between two foreigners..

The prenup was made in Germany

The situation is under review but the status quo still applies in ENGLAND generally and prenups are not legal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5723436/Pre-nuptial-agreements-given-recognition-in-English-law.html

The contracts are still not binding under English law, as there is no provision for them under Section 25 of the 1973 Matrimonial Causes Act.

Funny how you can say "nope" and post a link to an article entitled "Pre-nuptial agreements given recognition in English law" in the same post.

[Captain Oates 911]

What they said on TV was they "don't work the same way as they do in the US"

They don't work at all in England ... there is no half way - the English Courts are very jealous of their power to make the rulings they see fit and they will not allow themselves to be bound by these agreements which are not part of contract law

It's the same with the 'unfair contract terms act' - in the USA you can sign your rights away with the small print to a purchase of goods or services - in England the courts will set unfair contracts aside and then do what is fair

It's socialism versus capitalism basically. In the USA, property and contracts come first.

I got married in the USA the last time but I would not have dared propose a prenup - so I made other arrangements to protect my position. More than one way of skinning a cat.

A bit harder for Princes

Prenups are for Sicilian gangsters marrying dumb molls from Detroit and I reckon not many people would go with the idea of mixing love with legalities at the outset of a marriage.

One has to preserve the illusions that make life bearable and so protecting the wad by other means is always preferable