Is Trump about to blow the Obama Birth place hoax wide open?

[Amby 490]

It never is, but genes do play an important role.

By the way, here's one group of scientists who claim that people with parents with certain genetic components are more likely to become entrepreneurs.

Let me guess, you and PH are going to dismiss their research as rubbish.

IS THE TENDENCY TO ENGAGE IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP GENETIC?

ABSTRACT

We used quantitative genetics techniques to compare the entrepreneurial activity of 870 pairs of

monozygotic (MZ) and 857 pairs of same-sex dizygotic (DZ) twins from the United Kingdom. We ran

model fitting analyses to estimate the genetic, shared environmental, and non-shared environmental

effects on the propensity of people to become entrepreneurs. We found relatively high heritabilities for

entrepreneurship across different operationalizations of the phenomenon, with little effect of family

environment and upbringing. Our findings suggest the importance of considering genetic factors in

explanations for why people engage in entrepreneurial activity.

In short, our results indicate that genetic factors influence the tendency to become an entrepreneur. However, they do not indicate that entrepreneurship is genetically determined. Although our measures of environmental factors include measurement error (given our study design), their size suggests that they explain much of the variance in entrepreneurial activity, providing strong evidence of the effect of environmental factors on the propensity to become an entrepreneur.

Limitations

This study does not identify the genes that influence the tendency to engage in entrepreneurship. Therefore, we cannot know which genes matter, how many genes matter, or the relative importance of different genes to entrepreneurship. In fact such information cannot be ascertained through twin studies, such as this one, but require molecular genetics research that examines specific genes. Nevertheless, our results indicate the value of conducting molecular genetics studies of entrepreneurship.

eta: this is in the conclusion of the study you linked

Edited April 9, 2011 by Amby

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And now Amby has pwned mawilson!

[Peikko 1,575]

Are you saying there's no relationship? Wow, you're more deluded than I thought

Here's a list of papers on the subject from a wider range of scientific journals - from Heredity to Behavior Genetics and Nature Genetics.

The Behavior Genetics journal shouldn't even exist according to you, since it "disseminates ... research on the inheritance and evolution of behavioral characteristics in humans and other species ... focus on both the application of various genetic perspectives to the study of behavioral characteristics and the influence of behavioral differences on the genetic structure of populations."

Good grief.

[Amby 490]

According to PH, genetic links to human constructs - such as work values or entrepreneurship - cannot be studied. I proved her wrong.

who is PH?

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Madame Cleo is PH. One of her older screen names was Purple Hibiscus.

[Amby 490]

Madame Cleo is PH. One of her older screen names was Purple Hibiscus.

thanks

[Peikko 1,575]

Madame Cleo is PH. One of her older screen names was Purple Hibiscus.

Indeed it was first screen name.

I just find it hilarious that Marc would want to attempt to prove that human values are empirical and exist outside of human thought being as he is an avowed atheist.

[Amby 490]

So is alcohol dependence or depression, both of which have a strong genetic influence.

genetic predisposition, not influence

pre·dis·po·si·tion   /priˌdɪspəˈzɪʃən, ˌpridɪs-/ Show Spelled

[pree-dis-puh-zish-uhn, pree-dis-] Show IPA

noun

1. the fact or condition of being predisposed: a predisposition to think optimistically.

2. Medicine/Medical . tendency to a condition or quality, usually based on the combined effects of genetic and environmental factors.

Edited April 9, 2011 by Amby

[Tanya and Barry 59]

who is PH?

That's the great thing about people whose first language is not English. They actually read everything that you write and listen to everything that you say. Tanya does it to me all the time. I hate it...

[Amby 490]

Psychopathy is mostly hereditary. Is that a problem for you?

part of the research I'm working on has to do with the genes that "protect" our genome. so we're looking into the role of genome stability and the link between genes needed to protect the genome and different psychological disorders. we're doing this because some people with certain psychological disorders also exhibit defects in genome stability.

[mawilson 2,133]

In short, our results indicate that genetic factors influence the tendency to become an entrepreneur. However, they do not indicate that entrepreneurship is genetically determined.

Ok and? I never said that genetics was the *only* factor. Clearly, environmental factors are a major contributor as well.

[Amby 490]

Ok and? I never said that genetics was the *only* factor. Clearly, environmental factors are a major contributor as well.

but it clearly says it does not indicate it is genetically determined

[mawilson 2,133]

but it clearly says it does not indicate it is genetically determined

"Genetically determined" means "determined by genes alone".

[Peikko 1,575]

"Genetically determined" means "determined by genes alone".

No, it means what it says, not genetically determined.

Of course other factors influence human behaviours. Humans can be influenced to take one course of action over another based on human constructs, for example morality, but morality isn't genetic because it is a human value that we have placed on behaviours and these values have no empiric (stand alone) scale to be judged against (unless of course you are a deist which you claim not to be).

Take the behaviour of killing as an example. Killing is not a good thing or a bad thing, it's a behaviour that can be useful or not dependent on circumstance. The ability of humans to kill can probably be genetically determined and its usefulness for humans as a species can be evaluated. Murder on the other hand can't be genetically determined because murder is a value judgement on the act of killing; there is no predisposition to commit murder but there might be a predisposition to kill.

Edited April 10, 2011 by Madame Cleo

[mawilson 2,133]

Take the behaviour of killing as an example. Killing is not a good thing or a bad thing, it's a behaviour that can be useful or not dependent on circumstance. The ability of humans to kill can probably be genetically determined and its usefulness for humans as a species can be evaluated. Murder on the other hand can't be genetically determined because murder is a value judgement on the act of killing; there is no predisposition to commit murder but there might be a predisposition to kill.

I understand what you're saying, you're just wrong.

The fact that genetic causes play an important part in antisocial and criminal behavior is no longer in doubt. It just isn't - for example, see Raine 1997.

There is ample scientific evidence of brain abnormalities (frontal and temporal dysfunction) contributing to aggression, violent behavior, impulsivity, behavioral disinhibition and poor concentration. There's also evidence that these brain abnormalities can be caused by genetic, biological, or environmental agents.

Of course, nothing is determined by genes alone, but a genetic predisposition to commit murder does exist, I'm afraid.