What if they were Muslim?

[The Dude 206]

If anyone on here should be an expert on trolling that it's you. I don't know of anyone on here that can claim that title other than yourself.

That is a fairly pedestrian troll itself there Why_Me.

[웃 910]

I'm trying to get you to see the difference between a very common problem in the Muslim religion (suicide bombing) vs. some Christian fanatic that killed his friend because of sexual advances (very uncommon).

**Pakistan is roughly 96.3% Muslim....There are about 174 million people that live in Pakistan....They make up 11% of the entire world Muslim population

Pakistan Descends Into Chaos As 96 People Are Killed In A Week

• March 30, 2011 - Suspected Taliban militants targeted the convoy of Maulana Fazl ur Rehman of the hard-line group Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F). The attack which killed 10 took place on the Peshawar-Islamabad motorway in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

• March 31, 2011 - Suspected Taliban militants targeted Maulana Fazl ur Rehman's convoy again. This attack in Charsadda, a town in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan killed 12 people and injured 32 others.

• March 31, 2011 - 10 people were killed in Pakistan's Balochistan province in three separate attacks. A tribal elder, his son and three guards were killed in a bomb attack by the Baloch Liberation Front. A landmine killed three people and militants gunned down two tribal elders in the town of Kalat.

• April 1, 2011 - A 12-year-old boy was killed when a suicide bomber detonated his bomb at a weapons market in Dara Adam Khel, a town in Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province.

• April 3, 2011 - Two suicide bombers killed 50 people and injured about 100 when they struck outside the Sakhi Sarwar shrine in Punjab. The Tehreek-e-Taliban have taken responsibility for the attack and said it was in response to the government attacks on militants in north-west Pakistan. A third suspected bomber was shot and injured by the police.

• April 4, 2011 - A teenage suicide bomber killed 8 people at a car showroom, near a bus terminal in the Lower Dir district of Pakistan on Monday. Pro-government tribal leader Muhammad Akbar Sufi, 55, was the target of the attack.

• April 5, 2011 - A blast in Tirah Valley, a tribal area located in Pakistan's Khyber Agency, killed 5 and injured 8 others. The death toll is expected to rise as the injured are in critical condition.

Edited April 6, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Cuidad Juarez is in the Catholic diocese of Chihuahua, which is 85% Catholic, per 2006 statistics. There's huge amounts of murder and beheadings going on there on a daily basis. The interesting thing is, what's happening among Catholic Mexicans has a greater chance of directly affecting Americans and Catholics than anything happening in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iraq, yet, it isn't producing the kind of fear that scary Muslims do.

41 Killed in Ciudad Juarez Murder Spree

POLICE INACTION BLAMED FOR SKY-HIGH MURDER RATE IN MEXICAN CITY

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff

Posted Apr 6, 2011 2:35 AM CDT

(NEWSER) – Last weekend was bloody even by Ciudad Juarez standards. Gunmen killed 41 people in the Mexican city in the 4-day period beginning last Thursday, including 15 people killed in two attacks on bars, and a 10-year-old boy killed during an attack aimed at his father, CNN reports. By comparison, New Orleans—which has a population roughly the same size and the highest murder rate in the US—had 175 murders the whole of last year.

A local criminologist blames a lack of collaboration between the military, local police, and federal police for the endless slaughter, most of which is drug-related. "The police have practically done nothing in Juarez," he says. "On certain occasions they have made some arrests. The police are patrolling, but there is no real strategy to stop crime and violence in Juarez." The killers, he says, "are drugged and insensible people who have no obstacles in performing their jobs."

Charles Bowden on "Murder City: Ciudad Juárez and the Global Economy’s New Killing Fields"

April 14, 2010

First Lady Michelle Obama arrived in Mexico City Tuesday night after making a stop in Haiti on her first official trip abroad without the president. Her trip to Mexico comes as a new report by the Mexican government has found the death toll from the so-called drug war is much higher than previously thought. Nearly 23,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence in Mexico since a US-backed military crackdown on cartels began more than three years ago. The report said 2009 was the deadliest year in the drug war, with over 9,600 people killed. The death toll is on track to be even higher in 2010. We speak to reporter Charles Bowden, author of Murder City: Ciudad Juárez and the Global Economy’s New Killing Fields.

Ciudad Juarez: 242 Murders in May

Four more execution style murders in Ciudad Juarez on Sunday lead to a tally of 242 murders for the month of May. This is the highest number of murders per month so far this year and can only be explained by the ineffectiveness of joint federal, state and local police operations in combating crime.

“The numbers show that we the citizens must begin to take protection into our own hands as there is no authority that can stop this slaughter” said Laurencio Barraza, a member of the Organizacion Popular Independiente, a citizen’s watchdog group.

“We are attacked and nobody is imprisoned while there are thousands of police and dozens of policing operations . The administration of justice does not exist. The authorities have no clue where this is heading” he added.

“We are completely closed off to the world, isolated in our homes and neighborhoods for fear of becoming victims of violence” said Mr Barraza “ because until now the police forces have only protected the wealthy classes.”

Mr Barraza continued “Our government institutions don’t do their jobs, they take no actions. What we really need is for the state to provide justice because until now they have only increased our fear in Juarez.

Hernan Ortiz, a member of Ciudadanos por Una Mejor Administracion Publica, another citizen’s watchdog group, stated that the high level of violence in Juarez is due to a corresponding high level of impunity. “If the impunity of criminals is not addressed then crime will never decrease.”

“The level of violence is due to this impunity. It makes no difference how many police are brought or how many operations are implemented, if the law is not applied rigorously the situation will never change” said Mr Ortiz.

May was the most violent month of the year with 242 murders recorded. In April there were 240, in March 203, in February 163 and 227 in January, according to newspaper archives based on statistical data from the state of Chihuahua Attorney Generals’ office.

The murder rate so far this year equals the rate in 2009 when an average of 7 murders were recorded daily. So the annual murder rate in Ciudad Juarez, with a population of almost 1.5 million inhabitants, has remained steady at approximately 133 per 100,000 inhabitants since 2009, making the city the world's murder capital.

Most of these homicide victims are drug cartel gunmen and traffickers and street gang members. A significant number, however, were common middle and lower class citizens usually caught in crossfires or victims of mistaken identity.

To put these numbers in a meaningful perspective consider that the comparable murder rate in New York city ,with a population of 8.5 million people, was 6 per 100,000 inhabitants for the year of 2008.

Three cities in the U.S, with a similar population size to Juarez are Philadelphia Pa, Las Vegas Nv and San Antonio Tx. The 2008 murder rates for these 3 cities are 23 per 100,000 inhabitants in Philadelphia, 8.9 per 100,000 inhabitants in Las Vegas and 8.6 per 100,000 inhabitants in San Antonio.

Or put another way, San Antonio and Las Vegas typically average less than half the homicides in 1 year that Ciudad Juarez averages in 1 month.

Ciudad Juárez Hits 3,000 Murders in 2010

Published December 15, 2010

| Fox News Latino

Ciudad Juárez, where vicious turf battles have sparked one of the highest homicide rates in the world, reached an even bloodier high in 2010.

The death toll in drug related violence in the border city, the hardest hit by Mexico’s drug war, rose to 3,000 Tuesday after two men were shot dead on a street, authorities said.

The border city saw 1,623 people killed in drug related violence in 2008, and the toll increased to 2,763 in 2009.

Prosecutor spokesman Arturo Sandoval announced the latest grim milestone, a total of 7,386 people have died in the city of 1.3 million people across the border from El Paso, Texas, in three years. Most were members of rival drug gangs, but civilians, police and recovering drug addicts have also been targeted.

More than 28,000 people have died throughout Mexico in the four years since President Felipe Calderón launched an offensive against drug cartels when he took office in December 2006.

The U.S. Embassy touted Mexico's increased cooperation in anti-drug efforts, noting in a statement that on Tuesday Mexico extradited 14 suspects wanted in the United States on drug, organized crime, money laundering, weapons and homicide charges.

The extraditions "represent another victory in our joint fight against organized crime," the embassy said.

And touting Mexico's own successes in the offensive, Calderón said Tuesday that a big party led to the demise of a drug cartel chief, who was killed in a shoot-out with federal police.

The La Familia gang invited hundreds of people to a party last week in the western city of Apatzingán and didn't bother to keep it a secret, Calderón said in an interview with W Radio.

Federal police learned about it and the shoot-out broke out when they arrived to investigate, he said. The government says that La Familia leader Nazario Moreno, nicknamed "The Craziest One," was killed in battles that lasted two days and spread to key parts of Michoacán state, with gunmen blocking roads with burning vehicles.

"What happened those days is that we gave La Familia cartel the biggest blow in its history," Calderán said. "With a certain amount of insolence, they organized a party, a gathering of hundreds of their people. ... Everyone found out about the party."

The government says cartel gunmen fled with their dead during the shoot-outs, and Moreno's body has not been recovered.

Based on reporting by the Associated Press.

[웃 910]

Cuidad Juarez is in the Catholic diocese of Chihuahua, which is 85% Catholic, per 2006 statistics. There's huge amounts of murder and beheadings going on there on a daily basis. The interesting thing is, what's happening among Catholic Mexicans has a greater chance of directly affecting Americans and Catholics than anything happening in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iraq, yet, it isn't producing the kind of fear that scary Muslims do.

That is actually a good point. And I will gladly admit that if Mexicans were Muslims or if the cartel members were Muslims then it would be all over the headlines: "Muslim Cartels Murdering Thousands Per Year in Juarez"...."Muslim Cartels Behead Rival Gang Members in Mexico City"...."Muslim Responsible For Beheading 7 in Tijuana"...

And actually they are known (the "Catholic" drug cartel members) for decapitating, dismembering, and beheading their victims. Torturing them before killing them.

I think that is a fairer comparison (Cartel Killings vs. Suicide Bombers) than (Suicide Bombers vs. Murder Cases by Extremist Christians).

The extremist Christians is a term that nobody has heard of because it doesn't happen every day. If every single day you had an Extremist Christian blowing up an abortion clinic and blowing people, places, and things up, then it would be a fair comparison.

But because it isn't as common as the daily suicide attacks it isn't a fair comparison.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'm trying to get you to see the difference between a very common problem in the Muslim religion (suicide bombing) vs. some Christian fanatic that killed his friend because of sexual advances (very uncommon).

You went out on a hunt for articles and were stumped pretty quickly. I was able to find countless articles about extremists (in the Arab World) that are blowing themselves up and taking 5 to 100 people with them. These types of attacks do not happen in America. Yet they happen daily in the Arab World. I'm not sure what the stats are but my guess is there has been a suicide attack every hour for the past 10 years, each attack desecrating human life in a traumatic, mortifying, unthinkable way.

You didn't seem to see a difference between a random lunatic (not apart of any militant organization or group, not recruited) and 14 to 16 year old kids brainwashed into strapping explosives to their chests and massacring innocent civilians.

Why don't you go back to the lab and look for a Christian, Buddhist, Jew, or Hindu that strapped a bomb to his/her chest and took out 40 people and injured 100 more. Find 1 case of this.

Or how about find a case of a child doing it?

In the Muslim World it is a daily event and severe problem. If Allah/God was real then don't you think He would have put "Thou Shall Not Commit Suicide" in the Qua'ran....Yet another VERY STRONG proof that God-Allah was man-made.

Thou shall not commit suicide is in the Quran, more proof that suicide bombers know as much about Islam as you do.

O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful. And whoever does that in aggression and injustice - then We will drive him into a Fire. And that, for Allah , is [always] easy. [Quran 4:29-30]

He also dictates that we cannot murder:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. [Quran 5:32]

Why do you expect me to think like someone who is lazy enough to be spoon-fed by media? That's not going to happen. If you keep insisting that I do, that will be how you choose to waste your time.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

That is actually a good point. And I will gladly admit that if Mexicans were Muslims or if the cartel members were Muslims then it would be all over the headlines: "Muslim Cartels Murdering Thousands Per Year in Juarez"...."Muslim Cartels Behead Rival Gang Members in Mexico City"...."Muslim Responsible For Beheading 7 in Tijuana"...

And actually they are known (the "Catholic" drug cartel members) for decapitating, dismembering, and beheading their victims. Torturing them before killing them.

I think that is a fairer comparison (Cartel Killings vs. Suicide Bombers) than (Suicide Bombers vs. Murder Cases by Extremist Christians).

The extremist Christians is a term that nobody has heard of because it doesn't happen every day. If every single day you had an Extremist Christian blowing up an abortion clinic and blowing people, places, and things up, then it would be a fair comparison.

But because it isn't as common as the daily suicide attacks it isn't a fair comparison.

It's time for you to break out of your box and start seeing that it does happen everyday, and it is a fair comparison. It's just not framed in hyperbolic, sensationalist terms, as if everyone in the country is committing religious murder and chaos everyday like it is when Muslim countries have murders. Western journalists tend to be non-Muslim, and, even if not Christian, they and their editors still see Muslims as the "other" and Christian countries as more relate-able to their audience, thus, they don't make the same ties to faith as they do incessantly to Muslim-related incidents.

[SMOKE 1,426]

sofiyya, why the personal title change?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

sofiyya, why the personal title change?

I'm soon to leave VJ. Thanks for asking.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I'm soon to leave VJ. Thanks for asking.

why? where are you going?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

why? where are you going?

Back to real life lol. Our immigration journey is long done, and debate has become so repetitive and predictable here in P&R.

It's so sweet of you to ask

[웃 910]

It's time for you to break out of your box and start seeing that it does happen everyday, and it is a fair comparison.

OK fine, it does happen everyday. Now what?

You as a Muslim do not have it bad AT ALL!! You make it seem like you are at the bottom of the list and the most discriminated group in America.

Not even close! See gays, blacks, Mexicans.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

OK fine, it does happen everyday. Now what?

You as a Muslim do not have it bad AT ALL!! You make it seem like you are at the bottom of the list and the most discriminated group in America.

Not even close! See gays, blacks, Mexicans.

Personally, I don't have it bad at all. I'm rich and Muslim; I'm truly blessed. But, I'm also not one to stand by and not speak out about the injustice done to my faith.

[웃 910]

Personally, I don't have it bad at all. I'm rich and Muslim; I'm truly blessed. But, I'm also not one to stand by and not speak out about the injustice done to my faith.

It's funny cause my cousin is a Christian and he thinks his religion is the most persecuted group in the world.

I find it disgusting when someone thinks that...What's the point? Go start a blog. Write a book. Tell a friend. How am I supposed to respond? I don't feel sorry for any group. Each one has their own ups and downs.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Back to real life lol. Our immigration journey is long done, and debate has become so repetitive and predictable here in P&R.

It's so sweet of you to ask

After the newness wears off (year or less) you will be back.

It happens...

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's funny cause my cousin is a Christian and he thinks his religion is the most persecuted group in the world.

I find it disgusting when someone thinks that...What's the point? Go start a blog. Write a book. Tell a friend. How am I supposed to respond? I don't feel sorry for any group. Each one has their own ups and downs.

My cousin Ki is a born again Christian convert, and he also believes that Christians are the most loathed group on earth. I told him to come back to Islam so he can feel less persecuted, but I suppose he likes being a victim

After the newness wears off (year or less) you will be back.

It happens...

Who knows? Maybe things will change enough to bring me back, but how will I know if I'm not coming back to see?

Edited April 6, 2011 by Sofiyya