TYPECASTING MUSLIMS AS A RACE

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Most people (of any race and faith) prefer to avoid conflict (of any kind) and simply live a quiet life.

[minha_raposa 0]

WE did not blow up your mosques did we? We did not initiate this sh!t but we are going to finish it since the peacefull muslims are lacking the intestinal fortitude to do the job themselves!

AND...how come you (VP) avoid answering the question I asked? Why won't muslims rise up and take back their peaceful religion from the extremists.

As for you not being peaceful: I have all confidence that you are; however, you are in the minority. Forgive the analogy, but you are but a chiuahua defending your faith that is being run by a bunch of pit bulls.

And so I deserve to die for the sins of those who I am not like???

What do you expect us normal people to do about it? Your military can't stop them but normal every day people like me is supposed to lead an attack against murderers?

And, because we are also afraid of them we should die???

I'm sorry but that's the same mentality osama bin shaytaan has.

How can one defend these scum bags when they even kill their OWN brothers and sisters, women and children??

I don't hear anyone here defending them.

Let me get this straight...The Muslims citizens will come together and form a militia against the US armed forces, yet they are completely HELPLESS against 0.05% of their bretheren extremists? Pitiful EXCUSE!

I don't think anyone deserves to die except those who are terrorist. Unfortunately, that same 99.5% continues to allow the extremist to live amongst them and provides comfort and shelter. They use your brothers and sisters as shields! Hell...they even KILL there OWN children all in the name of God. That is one FUKCD up god if this is what the Islamic faith represents.

Yes, because you are afraid of them you should be willing to die so your faith can hold up its head again. You should be willing to die so your children do not have to be afraid of them. You should also be willing to die so others can live...so the REST of the world can live in peace.

Our troops volunteer for this very same priciple. Our citizens took over flight 93 KNOWING the would die so others could live. It is called courage. If all of the good Muslims (the majority) carry the same "what can I do about it" attitude as you, then the extremist (minority) wins. The minority has become the majority. Islam will be eternally lost.

VP, you come on here and Champion the cause of Islam like a designated spokesperson, yet when someone comments or questions, you seem to think it is directed specifically at you. It's not.

Most people (of any race and faith) prefer to avoid conflict (of any kind) and simply live a quiet life.

Absolutely agree!

[Heracles 417]

Yes, because you are afraid of them you should be willing to die so your faith can hold up its head again. You should be willing to die so your children do not have to be afraid of them. You should also be willing to die so others can live...so the REST of the world can live in peace.

Our troops volunteer for this very same priciple. Our citizens took over flight 93 KNOWING the would die so others could live. It is called courage. If all of the good Muslims (the majority) carry the same "what can I do about it" attitude as you, then the extremist (minority) wins. The minority has become the majority. Islam will be eternally lost.

Well said. The sad thing is that decent muslims just can't seem to grasp the concept that American (non-muslim) soldiers, American so-called infidels are putting their life on the line, many of them christians, to secure their freedom from terrorists. Yet, these soldiers have barely received a thumbs up for it. Its not about oil, hence the $0 made from it so far yet the trillions of $$$ spent on improving their security and living standards..

Edited September 7, 2006 by Infidel

[Joel Halfwassen 0]

What do you expect us normal people to do about it? Your military can't stop them but normal every day people like me is supposed to lead an attack against murderers?

And, because we are also afraid of them we should die???

Yes. I do expect you to die for your beliefs. If you truly believe in them then why not? I know I would. I’ll give you an example. I was in Ukraine for the first time and a group of 3 men were beating an old gypsy man. This was on a crowded street and everyone around watched, even the police. I jumped in to fight off the men. I was getting my ### kicked. When my girlfriend (now wife) begged the police to jump in. She said I was an American and I didn’t “understand”. The police pulled the guys off of me and sent them away. Apparently it is okay to beat on old people if they are gypsies in Slavic parts of the world. I don’t agree with that. My wife to this day says that I should not have done it, I would have been killed, etc. I would gladly do it again even if it meant I got killed. This is my value.

To my mind Islam is one of the few religions in recent history that has not had a peaceful revolution. One where a leader has come forward and brought the masses together to fight in a peaceful way against the terror. Look at Martin Luther King during the Civil Rights period of the US. Look at Gandhi. Look at the Dali Lama. Look at Nelson Mandela. All stood up and said, “This is wrong.” And were willing to die (if necessary) to make things right. And these are recent examples. Europe, Asia, and the US are littered with other such examples throughout their recent history. Where is this example in the Islamic world?

Joel

[tmma 467]

To my mind Islam is one of the few religions in recent history that has not had a peaceful revolution. One where a leader has come forward and brought the masses together to fight in a peaceful way against the terror. Look at Martin Luther King during the Civil Rights period of the US. Look at Gandhi. Look at the Dali Lama. Look at Nelson Mandela. All stood up and said, “This is wrong.” And were willing to die (if necessary) to make things right. And these are recent examples. Europe, Asia, and the US are littered with other such examples throughout their recent history. Where is this example in the Islamic world?

Joel

[KaiserD 12]

Some of those posts were provocative for thinking.

I have to admit if there were a formed group of pagans that were deliberatly (and very vocally) being disruptive and violent in the name of our beliefs, I would do everything in my limited power to denounce them and I think many would do the same. That may be though, because most of us made a concious desicion in what we believe and so are generally more pro-active.

That's just me though

[Ban Hammer 13,655]

Good Muslims often pronounce in private how "peacefull" they are, yet they take to the streets and PROTEST against America. The token Muslim Imam may even go on TV and proclaim a faith of peace but the MASSES do nothing other than proclaim America the "great satan".

Maybe if America would stop killing innocent muslims in the world (or supporting when other terrorist organizations do it), peaceful muslims might stop protesting against it.

which came first, the chicken or the egg? the terrorist or the americans killing innocent muslims?

[Veiled Princess 1]

Say what you will. You're free to have an opinion. However, it's not the peaceful, everday muslims (the ones who are also being killed and terrorised by the terrorists) who are giving power to bin shaytaan. It's people like you.... who either know that Islam has nothing to do with them or their actions, or who just don't care to find out the truth, who give him and his devils their power. People like you want an excuse to hate anyone who's different from you. You can lay the blame on muslims if you want but it doesn't make it true.

You give those terrorists exactly what they want. Their goal is to spread hate and fear and you play right into it.

Like I said before, anyone who thinks osama bin shaytaan or any of those other terrorist groups have anything to with Islam is just feeding the frenzy of ignorance.

They want you to react out of fear and terrorise and kill innocent muslims for their actions. That is how they spread thru the muslim world using the violence the US commits as an excuse for their behavior.

When the US drops bombs on cities filled with innocent people to punish the whole group for a few rotten apples, it fuels the fire for those groups to recruit new members.

When the US gives money and arms to those who attack and actively seek to wipe out the Arab/muslim population, it adds fuel to the fire and encourages muslims in other parts of the world to hate it.

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam, it adds fuel to the fire and gives muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the US.

You think the US is so innocent in everything? Pfft

[michellek1976 0]

Say what you will. You're free to have an opinion. However, it's not the peaceful, everday muslims (the ones who are also being killed and terrorised by the terrorists) who are giving power to bin shaytaan. It's people like you.... who either know that Islam has nothing to do with them or their actions, or who just don't care to find out the truth, who give him and his devils their power. People like you want an excuse to hate anyone who's different from you. You can lay the blame on muslims if you want but it doesn't make it true.

You give those terrorists exactly what they want. Their goal is to spread hate and fear and you play right into it.

Like I said before, anyone who thinks osama bin shaytaan or any of those other terrorist groups have anything to with Islam is just feeding the frenzy of ignorance.

They want you to react out of fear and terrorise and kill innocent muslims for their actions. That is how they spread thru the muslim world using the violence the US commits as an excuse for their behavior.

When the US drops bombs on cities filled with innocent people to punish the whole group for a few rotten apples, it fuels the fire for those groups to recruit new members.

When the US gives money and arms to those who attack and actively seek to wipe out the Arab/muslim population, it adds fuel to the fire and encourages muslims in other parts of the world to hate it.

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam, it adds fuel to the fire and gives muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the US.

You think the US is so innocent in everything? Pfft

VP,

I am in Australia, but obviously this debate is global. Why is it I have never seen a Muslim person of high standing in the community ever publicly stand up and say what you have said? The best I have heard is "we don't condone their actions, but we sympathize with them....". That kind of attitude does nothing to ease the growing tensions between Muslims and the rest of the world!

In Australia this is none more obvious than when the terrorists of the Bali Bombings were arrested and sentenced in Indonesia. Their mastermind and financier, cleric Abu Bakar Bashir received 2 1/2 years for his part in the October 2002 bombings and was released early. Meanwhile an Australian girl in serving 20 years in prison for marijuana possession. They were both charged and sentenced in Bali at similar times.

How can the Indonesian justice system, the largest Muslim state in the world, show such lenient sentencing for terrorism without appearing to be 'on terrorism's side'?

[tmma 467]

Say what you will. You're free to have an opinion. However, it's not the peaceful, everday muslims (the ones who are also being killed and terrorised by the terrorists) who are giving power to bin shaytaan. It's people like you.... who either know that Islam has nothing to do with them or their actions, or who just don't care to find out the truth, who give him and his devils their power. People like you want an excuse to hate anyone who's different from you. You can lay the blame on muslims if you want but it doesn't make it true.

You give those terrorists exactly what they want. Their goal is to spread hate and fear and you play right into it.

Like I said before, anyone who thinks osama bin shaytaan or any of those other terrorist groups have anything to with Islam is just feeding the frenzy of ignorance.

They want you to react out of fear and terrorise and kill innocent muslims for their actions. That is how they spread thru the muslim world using the violence the US commits as an excuse for their behavior.

When the US drops bombs on cities filled with innocent people to punish the whole group for a few rotten apples, it fuels the fire for those groups to recruit new members.

When the US gives money and arms to those who attack and actively seek to wipe out the Arab/muslim population, it adds fuel to the fire and encourages muslims in other parts of the world to hate it.

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam, it adds fuel to the fire and gives muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the US.

You think the US is so innocent in everything? Pfft

VP,

I am in Australia, but obviously this debate is global. Why is it I have never seen a Muslim person of high standing in the community ever publicly stand up and say what you have said? The best I have heard is "we don't condone their actions, but we sympathize with them....". That kind of attitude does nothing to ease the growing tensions between Muslims and the rest of the world!

In Australia this is none more obvious than when the terrorists of the Bali Bombings were arrested and sentenced in Indonesia. Their mastermind and financier, cleric Abu Bakar Bashir received 2 1/2 years for his part in the October 2002 bombings and was released early. Meanwhile an Australian girl in serving 20 years in prison for marijuana possession. They were both charged and sentenced in Bali at similar times.

How can the Indonesian justice system, the largest Muslim state in the world, show such lenient sentencing for terrorism without appearing to be 'on terrorism's side'?

Ha! Michelle1976, be careful. I said almost the exact same thing afew days ago in this thread and it turned into a twisted clusterfluff. You won't get an answer. The word " hate" is thrown around so easily and your words will get twisted and thrown right back at you. It's pointless, seriously. You cannot make a point with someone who immediatly, and without grounds ,accuses others of " hate" the second they show the slightest signs of disagreement or debate (or in my case afew pages ago, I actually was agreeing with afew of her points within her 1st post on this thread). ....sigh.

[michellek1976 0]

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam, it adds fuel to the fire and gives muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the US.

And why is it Osama bin Laden can give his regular little speaches proclaiming war on the US and its allies, but we are not allowed to retaliate? bin Laden may be a self-proclaimed leader of the Muslim world, but I have not seen any leader of any Arab/Muslim country denouce him. bin Laden is fueling fire to give non-muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the Middle East.

No one cries 'victim' like a Muslim.

[minha_raposa 0]

Say what you will. You're free to have an opinion. However, it's not the peaceful, everday muslims (the ones who are also being killed and terrorised by the terrorists) who are giving power to bin shaytaan. It's people like you.... who either know that Islam has nothing to do with them or their actions, or who just don't care to find out the truth, who give him and his devils their power. People like you want an excuse to hate anyone who's different from you. You can lay the blame on muslims if you want but it doesn't make it true.

You give those terrorists exactly what they want. Their goal is to spread hate and fear and you play right into it.

Like I said before, anyone who thinks osama bin shaytaan or any of those other terrorist groups have anything to with Islam is just feeding the frenzy of ignorance.

They want you to react out of fear and terrorise and kill innocent muslims for their actions. That is how they spread thru the muslim world using the violence the US commits as an excuse for their behavior.

When the US drops bombs on cities filled with innocent people to punish the whole group for a few rotten apples, it fuels the fire for those groups to recruit new members.

When the US gives money and arms to those who attack and actively seek to wipe out the Arab/muslim population, it adds fuel to the fire and encourages muslims in other parts of the world to hate it.

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam, it adds fuel to the fire and gives muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the US.

You think the US is so innocent in everything? Pfft

First off, I don't hate anyone other than terrorists. Second, what you - for whatever reason (density?) - fail to comprehend is that the TERRORISTS HAVE TAKEN THE POWER FROM THE MAJORITY. Your kumbaya ain't killing people and therefore you have not one once of influence over world opinion. Peaceful Muslims make no impact because they are peaceful. Your religion is run by terrorist and even the peaceful muslims are much too thick to even see it.

Why don't you stop blaming the USA for all of the problems in the muslim world and realize that for thousands of years the muslims have earned the reputation of lunatics and barbarians.

Muslims need to stop with the poor victim syndrome, stand up and take responsibility for your faith and stop blaming everyone else. Can muslims NOT see the real world beyond the end of their noses?

Where the he!! did you she the leader of the free world proclaim war against Islam?????????? You need to show that as fact! You know danm well the President has NEVER proclaimed war against ISLAM!!! That if a filthy LIE and a spread of MISINFORMATION by MUSLIMS to incite hatred and discord.

...and you wonder why we think like we do!

[tmma 467]

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam

Actually the " Leader of the Free World" went on TV and proclaimed war on the TERRORISTS, not Islam.

VP, who is drawing the parallel between the two now??

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Yes. I do expect you to die for your beliefs. If you truly believe in them then why not? I know I would. I’ll give you an example. I was in Ukraine for the first time and a group of 3 men were beating an old gypsy man. This was on a crowded street and everyone around watched, even the police. I jumped in to fight off the men. I was getting my ### kicked. When my girlfriend (now wife) begged the police to jump in. She said I was an American and I didn’t “understand”. The police pulled the guys off of me and sent them away. Apparently it is okay to beat on old people if they are gypsies in Slavic parts of the world. I don’t agree with that. My wife to this day says that I should not have done it, I would have been killed, etc. I would gladly do it again even if it meant I got killed. This is my value.

To my mind Islam is one of the few religions in recent history that has not had a peaceful revolution. One where a leader has come forward and brought the masses together to fight in a peaceful way against the terror. Look at Martin Luther King during the Civil Rights period of the US. Look at Gandhi. Look at the Dali Lama. Look at Nelson Mandela. All stood up and said, “This is wrong.” And were willing to die (if necessary) to make things right. And these are recent examples. Europe, Asia, and the US are littered with other such examples throughout their recent history. Where is this example in the Islamic world?

Joel

Great post. Thanks for doing the right thing.

The US is a country where we can have this debate. Try that in an Islamic country.

[Veiled Princess 1]

When the leader of the free world gets on TV to openly proclaim his war against Islam, it adds fuel to the fire and gives muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the US.

And why is it Osama bin Laden can give his regular little speaches proclaiming war on the US and its allies, but we are not allowed to retaliate? bin Laden may be a self-proclaimed leader of the Muslim world, but I have not seen any leader of any Arab/Muslim country denouce him. bin Laden is fueling fire to give non-muslims throughout the world an excuse to hate the Middle East.

No one cries 'victim' like a Muslim.

All I'm saying is when you declare hate and war on the entire muslim population because of bin laden then you're no better than he is. He does the same things against the west because of a few westerners.

I don't know what goes on in Australia... I'm not Australian... but I know for a fact that never have I said that I sympathize with terrorists

I'm all for Saudi style punishment of terrorists.... public heading

Where the he!! did you she the leader of the free world proclaim war against Islam?????????? You need to show that as fact! You know danm well the President has NEVER proclaimed war against ISLAM!!! That if a filthy LIE and a spread of MISINFORMATION by MUSLIMS to incite hatred and discord.

SALT LAKE CITY -- President Bush said Thursday the war against Islamic militants was like last century's fight against Nazis and communists and that a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would lead to its conquest by America's worst enemies. Daily Herald

Note, he uses the words "Islamic militants"... who says they're Islamic? Him? You? Certainly not Islam.

bin laden is a bush puppet to give rise to bushes war on Islam....