TYPECASTING MUSLIMS AS A RACE

[Heracles 417]

No one went out and directly targeted them. That is, even though they deliberately targeted and killed non-muslims and are actually, to this day, still trying to kill many other non-muslims..

I want peace probably more than anybody else but there comes a point where I have to say enough is enough. I am not going to sit here and watch them blame George W and America and use them to justify all of their atrocities, in the name of Islam..

Are all muslims committing or involved with these activities, I'll be the first to say NO, probably not even 99.5%. The fact is that the people trying to kill Americans are doing so in the name of Islam. Therefore it's only natural to target this group. If it was tibetan monks targeting American they would also naturally be targeted.

[Mirorgate 0]

They are labeled in the name of religion because the PROCLAIM THEMSELVES in the name of Islam. If the good people of Islam do not LIKE the label, then DO SOMETRHING ABOUT IT...take back control of YOUR own faith!

I can proclaim myself to be a fancy-butterfly-winged-fairy but that doesn't make me one and it's not likely that you would believe I am one just because I said it.

Unfortunately it doesnt matter what you call them to be or not be, but what they declare to the world, and what the world accepts as true. Whether it is or not in essence (truth) gets obscured by their actions in their beliefs.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Are all muslims committing or involved with these activities, I'll be the first to say NO, probably not even 99.5%. The fact is that the people trying to kill Americans are doing so in the name of Islam. Therefore it's only natural to target this group. If it was tibetan monks targeting American they would also naturally be targeted.

So it's OK to kill the 99.5% who aren't in order to get revenge on the .05% who are?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No one went out and directly targeted them. That is, even though they deliberately targeted and killed non-muslims and are actually, to this day, still trying to kill many other non-muslims..

They kill other muslims too... Carry on

I want peace probably more than anybody else but there comes a point where I have to say enough is enough. I am not going to sit here and watch them blame George W and America and use them to justify all of their atrocities, in the name of Islam..

Are all muslims committing or involved with these activities, I'll be the first to say NO, probably not even 99.5%. The fact is that the people trying to kill Americans are doing so in the name of Islam. Therefore it's only natural to target this group. If it was tibetan monks targeting American they would also naturally be targeted.

And by extension therefore, we should also include Hindu's, Sikhs and Mexicans in the "offending group" too. Because they're brown they must have a bomb eh?

Jesus.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Unfortunately it doesnt matter what you call them to be or not be, but what they declare to the world, and what the world accepts as true. Whether it is or not in essence (truth) gets obscured by their actions in their beliefs.

Yes but what people believe falls on them... not the group who doesn't do enough (in their opinion) to change their minds. They could easily read and learn the truth.... some, like Infedel, knows the truth but don't even care. It's just a reason to hate another.

[Mirorgate 0]

Unfortunately it doesnt matter what you call them to be or not be, but what they declare to the world, and what the world accepts as true. Whether it is or not in essence (truth) gets obscured by their actions in their beliefs.

Yes but what people believe falls on them... not the group who doesn't do enough (in their opinion) to change their minds. They could easily read and learn the truth.... some, like Infedel, knows the truth but don't even care. It's just a reason to hate another.

PPL are basically lazy in nature unless something drives them to do otherwise.. curiosity, passion, understanding, whatever.... others choose to justify themselves with whatever they can twist to mean what they want it to.

[Heracles 417]

And by extension therefore, we should also include Hindu's, Sikhs and Mexicans in the "offending group" too. Because they're brown they must have a bomb eh? .

Yes and if it was 6'1 mediterranean looking guys with an Australia accent, with green eyes committing such atrocities I would be more than happy to be profiled and questioned to prevent further atrocities.

[minha_raposa 0]

They are labeled in the name of religion because the PROCLAIM THEMSELVES in the name of Islam. If the good people of Islam do not LIKE the label, then DO SOMETRHING ABOUT IT...take back control of YOUR own faith!

I can proclaim myself to be a fancy-butterfly-winged-fairy but that doesn't make me one and it's not likely that you would believe I am one just because I said it.

Even if you were a fancy-butterfly-winged fairy noone would really give a rat's azz unless you went around blowing people up and proclaiming that all people of the world must become a fancy-butterfly-winged-fairy or suffer your wrath. Then we would become suspicious of all fancy -winged-butterfly-fairies and would we would stereotype them as well.

Any group...be they Christian, Jew, Pagan or those of the peach pit worshipping religion - ANY group that established a violent and pronounced history based on death and destruction in the NAME OF FAITH should be stereotyped and profiled until their actions continuously DEMONSTRATE PEACE.

Good Muslims often pronounce in private how "peacefull" they are, yet they take to the streets and PROTEST against America. The token Muslim Imam may even go on TV and proclaim a faith of peace but the MASSES do nothing other than proclaim America the "great satan".

QUESTION: Why the hell aren't the TV screens filled with all of the "peacefull" Muslims of the world taking to the streets by the millions protesting against the MUSLIM FUNDAMENTALIST??????!

They are against the USA doing anything about them, yet the peaceful variety does not believe in there faith enough, or simply lacks the courage to do the job themselves.

Maybe if you good Muslims would stop spending all of your energies grousing and trying to change the way Americans think about Islam, and take charge of your religion through your own actions, then perhaps Americans will eventually believe Islam is peaceful. Until then, you might as well just suck it up because the profiling and stereotyping will not and should not stop.

One bad apple spoils the barrel? Maybe, maybe not; however, when you get a barrel with one bad apple, you are certain to look much more closely at the rest before DECIDING they aren't bad as well? I know I would!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

And by extension therefore, we should also include Hindu's, Sikhs and Mexicans in the "offending group" too. Because they're brown they must have a bomb eh? .

Yes and if it was 6'1 mediterranean looking guys with an Australia accent, with green eyes committing such atrocities I would be more than happy to be profiled and questioned to prevent further atrocities.

The issue is not simply about profiling - but about a general process of stereotyping that is going on - by which people of different races and cultures are being lumped together into a single morass.

Yellow Peril springs to mind as comforting example that while we may like to think we live in more enlightened times, we really don't.

[Veiled Princess 1]

Good Muslims often pronounce in private how "peacefull" they are, yet they take to the streets and PROTEST against America. The token Muslim Imam may even go on TV and proclaim a faith of peace but the MASSES do nothing other than proclaim America the "great satan".

Maybe if America would stop killing innocent muslims in the world (or supporting when other terrorist organizations do it), peaceful muslims might stop protesting against it.

Maybe if you good Muslims would stop spending all of your energies grousing and trying to change the way Americans think about Islam, and take charge of your religion through your own actions, then perhaps Americans will eventually believe Islam is peaceful. Until then, you might as well just suck it up because the profiling and stereotyping will not and should not stop.

I have never killed or called for the killing of any innocent person... how are my actions non-peaceful?

ETA: Infedel... DUDE!!... your new siggy freaked me OUT man

Edited September 7, 2006 by Veiled Princess

[minha_raposa 0]

Are all muslims committing or involved with these activities, I'll be the first to say NO, probably not even 99.5%. The fact is that the people trying to kill Americans are doing so in the name of Islam. Therefore it's only natural to target this group. If it was tibetan monks targeting American they would also naturally be targeted.

So it's OK to kill the 99.5% who aren't in order to get revenge on the .05% who are?

There is power in numbers! Why don't the 99.5% who aren't take the action and KILL the .05% who are???! It is a shame that that same .05% is destroying your entire religion and yet you allow it. That .05% is also responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS and you all stand idly by and LET it happen. Blame it on America. Claim they don't represent Islam, yet you both read from the same Quran. Extremist ideology comes from the same pages as your ideology. Stop being victims and fix this problem yourselves. Only then will the Great Satan go back to hell and live in peace

[Heracles 417]

The issue is not simply about profiling - but about a general process of stereotyping that is going on - by which people of different races and cultures are being lumped together into a single morass.

Yellow Peril springs to mind as comforting example that while we may like to think we live in more enlightened times, we really don't.

Only about 20% of Americans have passports. Americans are not renowned for traveling, especially the so-called minority groups, so they have little or no exposure to the rest of the world. This leads to the development of naiveness and ignorance.

None the less, such stereotyping is used to protect the borders of other 1st world countries. They don't have much of a problem with enforcing their security as certain Americans do.

[minha_raposa 0]

Good Muslims often pronounce in private how "peacefull" they are, yet they take to the streets and PROTEST against America. The token Muslim Imam may even go on TV and proclaim a faith of peace but the MASSES do nothing other than proclaim America the "great satan".

Maybe if America would stop killing innocent muslims in the world (or supporting when other terrorist organizations do it), peaceful muslims might stop protesting against it.

Maybe if you good Muslims would stop spending all of your energies grousing and trying to change the way Americans think about Islam, and take charge of your religion through your own actions, then perhaps Americans will eventually believe Islam is peaceful. Until then, you might as well just suck it up because the profiling and stereotyping will not and should not stop.

I have never killed or called for the killing of any innocent person... how are my actions non-peaceful?

ETA: Infedel... DUDE!!... your new siggy freaked me OUT man

WE did not blow up your mosques did we? We did not initiate this sh!t but we are going to finish it since the peacefull muslims are lacking the intestinal fortitude to do the job themselves!

AND...how come you (VP) avoid answering the question I asked? Why won't muslims rise up and take back their peaceful religion from the extremists.

As for you not being peaceful: I have all confidence that you are; however, you are in the minority. Forgive the analogy, but you are but a chiuahua defending your faith that is being run by a bunch of pit bulls.

[Heracles 417]

What the 99.5% of normal muslims have to realize is that 99.99% of Americans do NOT want to kill the 99.5% of normal muslims and actually enjoy living in peace with them. You would think muslim Americans would be honest enough to stress this point to their fellow people back home..

AND...how come you (VP) avoid answering the question I asked? Why won't muslims rise up and take back their peaceful religion from the extremists.

As for you not being peaceful: I have all confidence that you are; however, you are in the minority. Forgive the analogy, but you are but a chiuahua defending your faith that is being run by a bunch of pit bulls.

Exactly. If someone who is Orthodox Christian, like myself, was targeting innocent people I would stand and fight for the other people. If a close friend of mine was doing the same I would stand up and fight for the innocent people. Yet, here we have people saying lay off Islam yet do nothing to stop the atrocities committed by others in its name..

How can one defend these scum bags when they even kill their OWN brothers and sisters, women and children??

[Veiled Princess 1]

WE did not blow up your mosques did we? We did not initiate this sh!t but we are going to finish it since the peacefull muslims are lacking the intestinal fortitude to do the job themselves!

AND...how come you (VP) avoid answering the question I asked? Why won't muslims rise up and take back their peaceful religion from the extremists.

As for you not being peaceful: I have all confidence that you are; however, you are in the minority. Forgive the analogy, but you are but a chiuahua defending your faith that is being run by a bunch of pit bulls.

And so I deserve to die for the sins of those who I am not like???

What do you expect us normal people to do about it? Your military can't stop them but normal every day people like me is supposed to lead an attack against murderers?

And, because we are also afraid of them we should die???

I'm sorry but that's the same mentality osama bin shaytaan has.

How can one defend these scum bags when they even kill their OWN brothers and sisters, women and children??

I don't hear anyone here defending them.