TYPECASTING MUSLIMS AS A RACE

[Veiled Princess 1]

Clearly you misunderstood a couple of things here-let me clarify for you I do not hold every Muslim responsible for the acts of those that clearly do not hold the same beliefs as the true Muslims! Please tell me what is wrong with my views as I expressed them? Not the way YOU chose to read them? I was actually agreeing with you on a couple of points!!!!! Go back to your first post on this thread!

Oh but it's sooooo much fun to take something someone says out of context and use it against them.

Bye-bye now.

Edited September 5, 2006 by Veiled Princess

[Henia 11]

People who practice Islam ( especially the scholars and the respected leaders) need to openly do what ever version Islam has of " excommunicating" --( completely disowning and distancing themselves and Islam)-- from these terrorists who do these heinous acts.

People who practice Islam are called muslims... so we need to openly do whatever... meaning we don't do it now?

Even if it were by a small amount-it's something.

So right now we're doing nothing, not even a small amount?

One more thing-when the respected leaders and scholars are not " out there " openly and loudly condemning these actions, then alot of people infer that their silence ( or perceived silence) implies agreement with said actions of terrorists-

We are silent on the matter?

Right Kezzie; however, religious leaders on both sides openly condemned the actions of the terrorists that were operating under their " religious umbrella". The Catholic Church condemned the actions of the Catholic terrorists as did the Protestant church,

In other words, those christian sects did speak out against it but we muslims do not?

Who says that muslims and scholars / religious leaders do not openly condemn terrorism?

No one said that.

You did or implied it above. At lest that is how I read it.

run for the hills, vp is posting just like szsz now

[samir_shannon 0]

cant we all just get along? well cant the rest of us get along and just ignore type 2 negative because as we all know he doesnt count LOL

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Just as a question: So we'd like to see all peaceful Muslims take the streets and show us that they reject terrorism. Not a bad idea, in theory.

But it totally overlooks that that would have to be answered by a similar show of protest in the US, Israel, and large parts of Europe because the atrocities committed in the Middle East in the name of the war on terror are probably as problematic from a Muslim perspective. Now are we willing to do that? Or would we consider that defeatism?

In other word, why would Muslims have to show us that they're not all bad but we go on to assume that we're a-ok?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In other word, why would Muslims have to show us that they're not all bad but we go on to assume that we're a-ok?

Judging by the justification of current areas of policy with regards to the War on Terror - warrantless wiretapping and the Patriot Act, torture and detention of 'enemy combatants' etc, I'd say we're as secure in our moral/ethical assumptions as the 'enemy'.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

In other word, why would Muslims have to show us that they're not all bad but we go on to assume that we're a-ok?

Judging by the justification of current areas of policy with regards to the War on Terror - warrantless wiretapping and the Patriot Act, torture and detention of 'enemy combatants' etc, I'd say we're as secure in our moral/ethical assumptions as the 'enemy'.

Exactly.

Of course we can continue to assume our moral superiority and keep the blinders in place, but that is not going to change the current situation.

[Risto 0]

The comparison with anti-semitism is perfectly valid IMO.

it's stupid

[*Robert* 2]

Typecasting doesn't just happen to Mulsims...

[Veiled Princess 1]

The comparison with anti-semitism is perfectly valid IMO.

it's stupid

It's actually the same thing... I believe the majority of semetic people are muslim over jewish anyway (not counting the christian and other faiths) so anti-muslim should equal anti-semitism the same as the above.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The comparison with anti-semitism is perfectly valid IMO.

it's stupid

Why?

Disregarding your personal bias against muslims which you seem only too glad to share - the point of the article quoted by the OP is that people of various different ethnicities and faiths are being incorrectly assumed to be muslim based on nothing other than physical appearance. If that is the case true (and at this point I'm wondering if there are statistics for racially motivated hate crimes against "muslim types" pre and post 9/11), please explain to me how this is not racist?

Edited September 6, 2006 by erekose

[Jenn! 918]

If that is the case true (and at this point I'm wondering if there are statistics for racially motivated hate crimes against "muslim types" pre and post 9/11), please explain to me how this is not racist?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=30381&hl=

[*Robert* 2]

Hi everyone!

[KaiserD 12]

Muslim leaders to be VERY pro-active and vocal in condemning those people ( terrorists) and their actions.

I remember after announcements came of people arrested in suspected terror plot in UK, the British Muslim Council (that is what they're called, right?) were a lot quicker to act with their statement of condemnations about the ideas.

I don't know about in the States but in the UK I feel they were far too slow to act (after 9/11), they were horribly quiet for a time and me (having met no muslims at that time) felt very uneasy. I remember this because I was looking for reassurance, and it did come and put people like me at ease but I feel for many the damage might already have been done.

Observing the more culturally mixed area where I live now, I had some ( very minor) bad experiences with muslim (dressed, these observations were made by their actions and what they were wearing) customers when I was working in a shop. Although I always smiled (and not a fake cheesy smile just trying to seem welcoming) they generally looked angry at me, spoke few words and talked their own language amongst themselves, it was very uncomfortable.

Maybe this is my perception but I think it is a bit rude to speak your own language when openly dealing and communicating with others, like a deliberate act of exclusion.

who knows what these people (usually mothers with small kids, such is the shop) endured though? They might have judged me also on what they thought of white British people in the area, that we were all judgemental, rude and obnoxious. This whole region is quite badly blighted with violence and crime, I've no doubt some families have suffered consequences of racism.

This saddens me because it can only lead it a downword spiral: the muslim people make the perceptions from others, who form a negative opinion passed onto people like me, that if I was less thoughtful would pass off as negative opinion on all muslims.

[minha_raposa 0]

Edit: Sorry Jenn I didn't read all the way down to see that you already clarified the error there

To further clarify, and I think I can safely speak for most muslims here regarding this... I don't believe anyone here has issue with anyone speaking out against terrorism... we do it too... guess what? Muslims are afraid of terrorists too

It's when they are constantly labeled as 'islamists' or 'islamics' or 'radical muslims' or 'extreme muslims' that gets my goat. Why label them with any religion? They are not practicing Islam so why call them islamics? They are terrorists... plain and simple, nothing more. When we give them religion as a backing we open the door to many many evils.... a few examples I can think of right off hand... 1. prejudice and hate against anyone who truly practices that religion... 2. Further confusing the youth into believing those terrorist are doing something in the name of God and turning them into 'martyrs'... 3. Giving into the desires of the terrorists who want people to believe they are doing God's work.

I say cut them off! Let them know that NO ONE believes they have anything to do with God! Not the muslims! Not the christians! Not the jews! Not the pagans! NO ONE!!!!

If you really want to be technical about it they are not even muslim because the things they do take them out of Islam... they are disbelievers. Don't give them Islam or any other religion.

They are labeled in the name of religion because the PROCLAIM THEMSELVES in the name of Islam. If the good people of Islam do not LIKE the label, then DO SOMETRHING ABOUT IT...take back control of YOUR own faith!

[Veiled Princess 1]

They are labeled in the name of religion because the PROCLAIM THEMSELVES in the name of Islam. If the good people of Islam do not LIKE the label, then DO SOMETRHING ABOUT IT...take back control of YOUR own faith!

I can proclaim myself to be a fancy-butterfly-winged-fairy but that doesn't make me one and it's not likely that you would believe I am one just because I said it.