Fuel Prices up 100% under Obama....

[Zero Sum 305]

We would be off foreign oil for long enough to develope alternates to oil. Right now we don't have any alternatives even if we wanted to stop using oil. The choice is to spend huge amounts of money buying oil from other countries and at the same time spend huge amounts of money to develope an alternative or we can use our own oil and spend the money we save on developement of alternative fuel. Which sounds better to you?

Not by cutting funding for oil alternatives research in line with current fiscal dogma. What you say is again pure optimism, and more realistic estimates of all-out drilling strategy place the first domestic products (not considering domestic reserves) at about a decade.

In the meantime, there's a need to learn to not have to drive two blocks to work, hyperbole and all.

They're up all over the world. So what?

Hush- the world only exists inside US borders.

Link fail

Gas Prices Last 6 years

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Opps, you fixed it.

Spelling fail too. Noobtastic on my part there for a moment.

[mawilson 2,133]

Gas was about 1.79 when Bush left office. So it was up around 70%.

Well the entire stock market was worth about $1.79 at that time, so...

They're up all over the world. So what?

Apparently Obama controls oil prices.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

'Your' was a typo, but thanks for noticing.

There was no link or reference in the OP and some of us aren't glued to RWN OpEd's.

Let's take the RWN spin out of the gasbuddy data shall we? Gas is roughly 40 cents a gallon cheaper now than the July 2008 GWB high. Gather from that FACTOID what you will.

Better yet use gasbuddy to chart gas prices for the last 5 years for both the US and Canada and the patterns match. Seems the hypothesis Bush or Obama are responsible is just so much partisan hack hot air.

But do go on amusing yourselves... don't let reality get in the way of a feel good rant.

[Zero Sum 305]

Those Communists at the US Government have stats that go back to 1990: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Not by cutting funding for oil alternatives research in line with current fiscal dogma. What you say is again pure optimism, and more realistic estimates of all-out drilling strategy place the first domestic products (not considering domestic reserves) at about a decade.

In the meantime, there's a need to learn to not have to drive two blocks to work, hyperbole and all.

Those that drive 2 blocks to work isn't the problem. Even if those people walked to work, weather permitting, it would not impact our energy usage. I would say that if we produced all the domestic fuel we can our dependance on outside sources may not go away but it would reduce it to the point where wars in the ME would have a much smaller impact. Give us a decade free from the volitility of the international market and we could come up with an alternative to oil. What we are doing right now is exactly nothing.

They're up all over the world. So what?

Hush- the world only exists inside US borders.

So if the rest of the world suffers we should as well?

[Zero Sum 305]

Those that drive 2 blocks to work isn't the problem. Even if those people walked to work, weather permitting, it would not impact our energy usage. I would say that if we produced all the domestic fuel we can our dependance on outside sources may not go away but it would reduce it to the point where wars in the ME would have a much smaller impact. Give us a decade free from the volitility of the international market and we could come up with an alternative to oil. What we are doing right now is exactly nothing.

So if the rest of the world suffers we should as well?

We should lead as we have done so historically.

Your paragraph above unfortunately speaks with too much opinion about what is factual.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

'Your' was a typo, but thanks for noticing.

There was no link or reference in the OP and some of us aren't glued to RWN OpEd's.

Let's take the RWN spin out of the gasbuddy data shall we? Gas is roughly 40 cents a gallon cheaper now than the July 2008 GWB high. Gather from that FACTOID what you will.

Better yet use gasbuddy to chart gas prices for the last 5 years for both the US and Canada and the patterns match. Seems the hypothesis Bush or Obama are responsible is just so much partisan hack hot air.

But do go on amusing yourselves... don't let reality get in the way of a feel good rant.

All that matters to you is the partisan gotcha games. That thinking is why we are where we are.

No one, not Bush, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan or now Obama has given us an energy policy with any direction. That is the real problem. But it seems all you want to do is point out that things were just as bad as under Bush. Very nice.

We should lead as we have done so historically.

Your paragraph above unfortunately speaks with too much opinion about what is factual.

When have we led on energy? Never. And my opinion is better than what we have now which is nothing.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Those that drive 2 blocks to work isn't the problem. Even if those people walked to work, weather permitting, it would not impact our energy usage. I would say that if we produced all the domestic fuel we can our dependance on outside sources may not go away but it would reduce it to the point where wars in the ME would have a much smaller impact. Give us a decade free from the volitility of the international market and we could come up with an alternative to oil. What we are doing right now is exactly nothing.

So if the rest of the world suffers we should as well?

Yes you should

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Yes you should

Go ahead and suffer then, I will pass on that.

[Zero Sum 305]

All that matters to you is the partisan gotcha games. That thinking is why we are where we are.

No one, not Bush, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan or now Obama has given us an energy policy with any direction. That is the real problem. But it seems all you want to do is point out that things were just as bad as under Bush. Very nice.

When have we led on energy? Never. And my opinion is better than what we have now which is nothing.

Gotcha games will always be played with the Strategic Oil Reserves.

Now that you point out the energy leadership though, I'd love some causal examples of how we have never led in energy, considering we are the globe's per capita consumption champs.

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Gotcha games will always be played with the Strategic Oil Reserves.

Now that you point out the energy leadership though, I'd love some causal examples of how we have never led in energy, considering we are the globe's per capita consumption champs.

The SOR is only for national emergencies and not to soften prices.

I would love some examples of how we have led. All we have done is to import more and more of our supply while our own resources sit untapped. All the while we fiddle with dead ends like corn ethanol. We need a national focus on renuable energy. Wind and solar will forever be just supplemental energy. It could never replace oil, coal and NG. If nature can make oil out of plankton then we should be able to do it as well. I have seen many promising pilot projects that have the potential for industrial applications.

[Zero Sum 305]

The SOR is only for national emergencies and not to soften prices.

I would love some examples of how we have led. All we have done is to import more and more of our supply while our own resources sit untapped. All the while we fiddle with dead ends like corn ethanol. We need a national focus on renuable energy. Wind and solar will forever be just supplemental energy. It could never replace oil, coal and NG. If nature can make oil out of plankton then we should be able to do it as well. I have seen many promising pilot projects that have the potential for industrial applications.

Since price isn't an emergency... don't have a fit over price. I do love your examples though, and they actually answer the question you drove back at me. Now ask who is willing to fund that kind of research.

We still don't see causal examples where the US has never led...

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Instead of wasting trillions on stimulus lets dump a few hundred billion into this:

Biofuel From Algae Could Compete With Oil, Report Says

Written by John Platt

Biofuels made from algae can be produced in a way that make this energy source cost-competitive with crude oil by increasing the amount of energy algae stores as fat, according to early research from VG Energy, an alternative energy and agricultural biotech company.

Algae typically store energy as carbohydrates or fat. But a report (pdf) by biofuels expert John Sheehan suggests that techniques developed by the company to target tumors in humans could change that process — and in the process could increase algae oil output during the production of biofuels.

The resulting biodiesel and algae-based jet fuels could be produced at a cost of $94 per barrel, well below the current crude oil price of above $100 a barrel, according to the report by Viral Genetics, of which VG Energy is a subsidiary. Sheehan, a researcher with the Institute on the Environment at the University of Minnesota, is an advisor to Viral Genetics.

It’s all based on a technique developed by Viral Genetics researcher Dr. Karen Newell-Rogers. According to a report from Energy Boom, Newell-Rogers has been developing molecular techniques “to disrupt tumor metabolism to prevent them from burning fat reserves, making them more susceptible to chemotherapy and radiation.” The same switch could force the algae to store energy as fat, which could then be extracted as algal oil.

Biofuel researchers have been seeking a technique to accomplish this switch, known as the “lipid trigger,” since the 1990s. Algae typically do not produce oil under normal conditions, but they do when they are stressed.

Algae are highly valued in biofuels research because of their high growth rate. “Whoever manages to break the trade-off between high growth of algae and high lipid content in the algae will be bringing a game changer to the table,” Sheehan told Energy Boom last December.

According to a VG Energy press release, the technique increased production of extractable lipid, or fat, by at least 300 percent when applied in the lab. The fat was stored outside the cell walls, making it easier to extract without first killing the algae. The technique also makes as much as 75 percent of the rest of the algae recyclable, further reducing costs.

In addition, this technique could also allow greater extraction of Omega-3 fats, also at much lower price than currently marketed processes.

Sheehan’s report details several ways that algal oil can be produced. VG Energy will study the techniques to try to put its new discovery into practice. The research is being supported by a $750,000 grant through the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, which was created by the Texas legislature in 2005.

http://blogs.forbes.com/eco-nomics/2011/03/16/biofuel-from-algae-could-compete-with-oil-report-says/

[JohnSmith2007 353]

Since price isn't an emergency... don't have a fit over price. I do love your examples though, and they actually answer the question you drove back at me. Now ask who is willing to fund that kind of research.

We still don't see causal examples where the US has never led...

I am not having a fit over the price, I am having a fit over our lack of a policy. The price is just the result of our failure to lead.

I can't give you examples of something that has not happened. We have never led. Try giving me examples of where we have led.

[Zero Sum 305]

"I do love your examples though, and they actually answer the question you drove back at me. Now ask who is willing to fund that kind of research."

Which implies that your question ( = where do we lead??), has been answered. Science. Now look at that second part above. Who will fund this?