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Could lead codices prove ‘the major discovery of Christian history’?

By Chris Lehmann

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British archaeologists are seeking to authenticate what could be a landmark discovery in the documentation of early Christianity: a trove of 70 lead codices that appear to date from the 1st century CE, which may include key clues to the last days of Jesus' life. As UK Daily Mail reporter Fiona Macrae writes, some researchers are suggesting this could be the most significant find in Christian archeology since the Dead Sea scrolls in 1947.

The codices turned up five years ago in a remote cave in eastern Jordan—a region where early Christian believers may have fled after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE. The codices are made up of wirebound individual pages, each roughly the size of a credit card. They contain a number of images and textual allusions to the Messiah, as well as some possible references to the crucifixion and resurrection. Some of the codices were sealed, prompting yet more breathless speculation that they could include the sealed book, shown only to the Messiah, mentioned in the Book of Revelation. One of the few sentences translated thus far from the texts, according to the BBC, reads, "I shall walk uprightly"--a phrase that also appears in Revelation. "While it could be simply a sentiment common in Judaism," BBC writer Robert Pigott notes, "it could here be designed to refer to the resurrection."

But the field of biblical archaeology is also prey to plenty of hoaxes and enterprising fraudsters, so investigators are proceeding with due empirical caution. Initial metallurgical research indicates that the codices are about 2,000 years old--based on the manner of corrosion they have undergone, which, as Macrae writes, "experts believe would be impossible to achieve artificially."

Beyond the initial dating tests, however, little is confirmed about the codices or what they contain. And the saga of their discovery has already touched off a battle over ownership rights between Israel and Jordan. As the BBC's Pigott recounts, the cache surfaced when a Jordanian Bedouin saw a menorah—the Jewish religious candleabra—exposed in the wake of a flash flood. But the codices somehow passed into the ownership of an Israeli Bedouin named Hassam Saeda, who claims that they have been in his family's possession for the past 100 years. The Jordanian government has pledged to "exert all efforts at every level" to get the potentially priceless relics returned, Pigott reports.

Meanwhile, biblical scholars who have examined the codices point to significant textual evidence suggesting their early Christian origin. Philip Davies, emeritus professor of Old Testament Studies at Sheffield University, told Pigott he was "dumbstruck" at the sight of plates representing a picture map of ancient Jerusalem. "There is a cross in the foreground, and behind it is what has to be the tomb [of Jesus], a small building with an opening, and behind that the walls of the city," Davies explained. "There are walls depicted on other pages of these books, too, and they almost certainly refer to Jerusalem."

David Elkington, an ancient religion scholar who heads the British research team investigating the find, has likewise pronounced this nothing less than "the major discovery of Christian history." Elkington told the Daily Mail that "it is a breathtaking thought that we have held these objects that might have been held by the early saints of the Church."

Still, other students of early Christian history are urging caution, citing precedents such as the debunked discovery of an ossuary said to contain Jesus' bones. New Testament scholar Larry Hurtado observes that since these codices are miniature, they were likely intended for private, rather than liturgical, use. This would likely place their date of origin closer to the 3rd century CE. But only further research and full translation of the codices can fully confirm the nature of the find. The larger lesson here is likely that of Eccliastes 3:1—be patient, since "to everything there is a season."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110330/ts_yblog_thelookout/could-lead-codices-prove-the-major-discovery-of-christian-history

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This is fascinating information. There should be many more such posts like this in this forum.

I regret to report that, at this bleary hour, I initially misread one of the subject line words as "codpieces" and briefly wondered why someone would wear one that was made of lead, oof man.

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06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

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TBone - alas - I suffered too from the 'codpiece' whammy.

John - I'll be happy to read any news of this - the 'governing bodies' in existence at the time of the discovery of the dead sea scrolls AIN'T THE SAME groups as now, so any onus to 'keep it hidden' doesn't exist.

Maybe some smart printers can make soft wax molds, or do a 'one-off ink run' - that'd be cool to try..

Sometimes my language usage seems confusing - please feel free to 'read it twice', just in case !
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Sunni Imam: Reappearance of 12th Imam near at hand

ABNA.ir - Mar 8, 2011

CHABAHAR, Iran (Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Sunni Friday prayer imam of Chabahar said here Monday Sunni folks believe in reappearance of Imam of the Time, like Shi’a folks, and his glorious reappearance is near at hand.

Mowlavi Abdorrahman Mollazehi made the comment speaking at the huge gathering of Shahwezhi Tribe and affiliated tribes in the presence of Sistan-o-Balouchestan region tribal heads.

He added, “With the reappearance and the victory of Imam Mahdi justice would be spread around the globe and oppression and injustice would be totally uprooted throughout the world.”

According to the IRNA correspondent in Zahedan, Mollazehi added, “The secret of victory of the Islamic Revolution and the establishment of the Islamic Republic political system was unity and solidarity of the Iranian nation under the leadership of the late Imam Khomeini (P).”

The Sunni Friday Prayer leader of Chabahar pointed out that under the leadership of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution the enemies, particularly the United States are witnesses to the strengthened unity among the entire Iranians, adding, “The enemies, particularly the Americans and their allies, try their best to intrigue disputes and foment discord between the Sunni and Shi’a brethren throughout the Islamic world, but thanks to the awareness and the alertness of the leadership and the people they have thus far been unsuccessful in their efforts in Iran.”

Zahedan Governor General Latif Sadeqi, too, said at the huge gathering that many infrastructure development projects have been implemented in various fields in Sistan-o-Balouchestan Province thus far.

He added, “The enemies do not cease efforts aimed at deceiving the Shi’a and Sunni youth and fomenting crisis in the region, but fortunately such efforts have all been in vain thus far, and God willing, will also be so in the future.”

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=230172

What singularity is that?

The black hole in the center of the Earth.

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Sunni Imam: Reappearance of 12th Imam near at hand

ABNA.ir - Mar 8, 2011

CHABAHAR, Iran (Ahlul Bayt News Agency) - Sunni Friday prayer imam of Chabahar said here Monday Sunni folks believe in reappearance of Imam of the Time, like Shi’a folks, and his glorious reappearance is near at hand.

Mowlavi Abdorrahman Mollazehi made the comment speaking at the huge gathering of Shahwezhi Tribe and affiliated tribes in the presence of Sistan-o-Balouchestan region tribal heads.

He added, “With the reappearance and the victory of Imam Mahdi justice would be spread around the globe and oppression and injustice would be totally uprooted throughout the world.”

According to the IRNA correspondent in Zahedan, Mollazehi added, “The secret of victory of the Islamic Revolution and the establishment of the Islamic Republic political system was unity and solidarity of the Iranian nation under the leadership of the late Imam Khomeini (P).”

The Sunni Friday Prayer leader of Chabahar pointed out that under the leadership of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution the enemies, particularly the United States are witnesses to the strengthened unity among the entire Iranians, adding, “The enemies, particularly the Americans and their allies, try their best to intrigue disputes and foment discord between the Sunni and Shi’a brethren throughout the Islamic world, but thanks to the awareness and the alertness of the leadership and the people they have thus far been unsuccessful in their efforts in Iran.”

Zahedan Governor General Latif Sadeqi, too, said at the huge gathering that many infrastructure development projects have been implemented in various fields in Sistan-o-Balouchestan Province thus far.

He added, “The enemies do not cease efforts aimed at deceiving the Shi’a and Sunni youth and fomenting crisis in the region, but fortunately such efforts have all been in vain thus far, and God willing, will also be so in the future.”

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=230172

Ah, I see they are predicting his return again this year. This falls into the catagory of "doomsday" predictions. Not worth the time to read it.

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This is fascinating information. There should be many more such posts like this in this forum.

I regret to report that, at this bleary hour, I initially misread one of the subject line words as "codpieces" and briefly wondered why someone would wear one that was made of lead, oof man.

It was required if you were getting xrayed in the first couple of centuries

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No matter the medium, biblical stories are still just that, stories. It's old, and on lead codices, so not sure why the big deal beyond the cool factor of any ancient object.

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No matter the medium, biblical storie

B and J K-1 story

  • April 2004 met online
  • July 16, 2006 Met in person on her birthday in United Arab Emirates
  • August 4, 2006 sent certified mail I-129F packet Neb SC
  • August 9, 2006 NOA1
  • August 21, 2006 received NOA1 in mail
  • October 4, 5, 7, 13 & 17 2006 Touches! 50 day address change... Yes Judith is beautiful, quit staring at her passport photo and approve us!!! Shaming works! LOL
  • October 13, 2006 NOA2! November 2, 2006 NOA2? Huh? NVC already processed and sent us on to Abu Dhabi Consulate!
  • February 12, 2007 Abu Dhabi Interview SUCCESS!!! February 14 Visa in hand!
  • March 6, 2007 she is here!
  • MARCH 14, 2007 WE ARE MARRIED!!!
  • May 5, 2007 Sent AOS/EAD packet
  • May 11, 2007 NOA1 AOS/EAD
  • June 7, 2007 Biometrics appointment
  • June 8, 2007 first post biometrics touch, June 11, next touch...
  • August 1, 2007 AOS Interview! APPROVED!! EAD APPROVED TOO...
  • August 6, 2007 EAD card and Welcome Letter received!
  • August 13, 2007 GREEN CARD received!!! 375 days since mailing the I-129F!

    Remove Conditions:

  • May 1, 2009 first day to file
  • May 9, 2009 mailed I-751 to USCIS CS
 

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