Question on the age from yesterday

[gugu24 0]

no offense but keep in mind most of these child brides in Utah are more then likely married to the same man. Our country has a serious issue when it's allowing children still wet behind the ears and school age to marry to adults. its as if they are legalizing molestation. one moment people are getting jailed for child pornography and next they are allowing the child to be exploited through marriage. To the young fellow who started the post...I certainly dont want to cast any dark clouds but in my opinon(though no asked for it) It is hard enough to marry a person from your own country especially at a young age and make it work but when you marry another from outside your country you have to keep in mind it involves alot more resposibility and understanding between the two cultures. sometimes it may be months or years down the road when you realize the big differences and habits between the two. Be sure you understand what the other person believes or thinks first. All in all I do wish you luck. As i said before im not casting any darkness on anyone. I believe everyone deserves a chance. I hope all ends well.

[Pinay Wife 47]

no offense but keep in mind most of these child brides in Utah are more then likely married to the same man.

But a child just the same. So you mean, they're like a harem? That's even worse!

[William33 110]

Your perception of that post, is out of context. gugu24 is suggesting that in a much worse case of child marriage, it happens in multiples on the Utah front. Read the news headlines.

An ugly issue indeed.

no offense but keep in mind most of these child brides in Utah are more then likely married to the same man.

But a child just the same. So you mean, they're like a harem? That's even worse!

[Ana and Dan 0]

#######???? You're marring a 17 year old?? So this must means you had some sort of level of intimacy with her probably as early as 15. Bottom line, what you're doing is illegal. Take your perverted posts and piss off dude. I should call Dateline NBC and have you tracked down so they can humilate your sorry ### then have you thrown in jail. The brides parents are equally as guilty as far as I'm concerned and ought to be shot in the head.

I'm I bugging you? I hope so! Wake up!

Edited September 7, 2006 by Ana and Dan

[Pinay Wife 47]

Let us not be harsh. We cannot choose who we love. It just happens.

The OP sought advice so let's stick to giving advice and keep our judgment to ourselves. Don't judge lest we be judged.

Marrying a 17-year old is not illegal in the USA. Your state laws made sure of that.

Don't bug the OP, bug your own government. Sure, go to Dateline NBC and harangue your senators and congressmen for passing laws that encourage pedophilia and child molestation in your own country. They deserve to be jailed not the OP. All of America except Kentucky, Louisiana and W. Virginia allow their children to get married at age 16, some as young as 14 and in one state, as young as 12! Look here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm#k

To the OP, I still wish you the best.

Edited September 7, 2006 by PatientlyWaiting

[sillygirl 0]

So i am wondering if it was approved by the USCIS then does that mean her age is not a factor? or if it was would it not have been approved by the USCIS right?In my state if the person wanting to get married and is under 18 they only need parental consent and then they can legally marry,which my fiancee has.

As far as US laws and USCIS regulations are concerned yes, your fiancee may be eligible to marry at 17. But you and Irish will also deal with the Manila embassy who will make sure that you are compliant with both US and Philippine laws.

I am wondering if at the interview will it be a problem?..she will have the signed affidavit of parental consent with her then..any ideas or do you think it will be fine?

Yes, it will be a problem. As far as the US embassy is concerned, Irish will not be compliant with Philippine law. Art. 35, Chapter 3 of the Family Code of the Philippines, states that x x x “The following marriage shall be void from the beginning: (1) those contracted by any party below eighteen years of age even with the consent of parents or guardians. Here’s the link: http://www.chanrobles.com/executiveorderno209.htm

True you’re not marrying here but in the US and she would have turned 18 then. But Philippine law and our Immigration officers will prevent your fiancee from departing the country for purposes of marriage until she's 18. She will not pass CFO seminar which is a requirement for departure. Moreover, a 17 year old cannot travel alone without Dept. of Social Welfare & Dev. clearance. So she will be needing clearances from two govt. agencies, CFO and DSWD, and I guarantee you, both clearances will be denied.

The affidavit was signed and notorized by a judge in Somboan, I also have done this through a laywer who told me that was all she needed was a signed and notorized consent from her parents.

I assume you spoke t o a US lawyer who is not familiar with Philippine marriage law? At any rate, judges and lawyers make mistakes and they can be charged with gross negligence of the law. Even if consent was given, our law says such consent is void. We cannot argue with written law.

Best thing to do under the circumstances is to delay the interview until after she turns eighteen. Wait a few more months. This will give you at least a fighting chance.

The next issue that the embassy would be looking at is the age difference between you and your fiancee. If there is a huge gap, better prepare yourself to prove bona fide relationship. It will be tough.

Good luck, Keith!

Hi, thanks for the response,

Irish already has her DSWD clearence and as far as the CFO he father will be attending that with her.She also already has her passport.The fact that she is 17 now shouldnt stop the approval because we have 90 days to marry and by then she will be 18 so I dont see why they would deny her a visa to come here to marry,its not like we are gonna be married when she is still 17.Also id like to say that she told me she was 20 when we first started chatting and I didnt find out she was 17 until after i got back from my 1st visit and started the paperwork for the K-1..she had to fess up after she went to get a ceritfied copy of here birth certificate, but by then i am already in love and had proposed and had retained a K-1 law firm to do the processing.The lawyer knew she was 17 and said it would not be a problem as long as she has an affidavit of parental consent..he would not have taken the case if he thought for any reason it would be denied because they have a money back garuntee if they cant get her the visa.I just spoke to him and he said there is nothing to worry about she will be approved.

Don't get me wrong... but you got me completely baffled.

You asked for advice/opinions and they were given to you. Even snippets of PHILIPPINE LAW were given to you and yet you persist in believing all the ####### that your PAID lawyer is giving you?

Please bear in mind that it is not only the US law that are being followed in this process. She is in the Philis, a Filipino citizen, hence all our laws apply to her. I know it is very difficult to be away from your loved one, but why not wait until she is of legal age? Think of the repurcussions that will arise if you insist in filing it when she is still a minor.

Patience is a virtue. Right, PW?

[Ana and Dan 0]

Let us not be harsh. We cannot choose who we love. It just happens.

Believe me, you haven't seen harsh yet. We may not be able to chose who we love, but we sure as hell better be responsible enough to know not to fall in love with a child.

The OP sought advice so let's stick to giving advice and keep our judgment to ourselves. Don't judge lest we be judged.

Typically I wouldn't judge anyone on here, but when it comes to pedophilia that's where I draw the line. Go ahead and give him advice though.

Marrying a 17-year old is not illegal in the USA. Your state laws made sure of that.

Marrying a 17 year may not be illegal in the USA, but it does require parental consent in any case. Also, just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it moral or ethical....an 18,19, 20, 21 marrying a 17 year old with parental consent..well okay, but a 27 year old? Hmmm, better be for the right reasons. At any rate, the marriage itself may not be illegal, but I just can't avoid thinking, well if someone is getting ready to marry a minor, don't even try to tell me there hasn't been intimate relations! That my friend is illegal.

Don't bug the OP, bug your own government. Sure, go to Dateline NBC and harangue your senators and congressmen for passing laws that encourage pedophilia and child molestation in your own country. They deserve to be jailed not the OP. All of America except Kentucky, Louisiana and W. Virginia allow their children to get married at age 16, some as young as 14 and in one state, as young as 12! Look here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm#k

I dont need to look there. I know what's legal and what isn't legal, and you can bet your ####### the things going on between these two are illegal. You can paint a pretty picture, and hide behind your silly laws all you like, but it still doesn't mean that having intimate relations and preparing to marry this child is at all moral. I can see it now, as he's explaining to his family and friends that she told him she was 19 when they met. The entire relationship based on a complete lie. I don't know about the rest of you, but that wouldn't fly around my friends or family. I'd be hung up by my toes and send to the pedophile factory.

To the OP, I still wish you the best.

Support the OP all you want though. Nurture the rest of the pedophiles on this site for all I care.

Edited September 7, 2006 by Ana and Dan

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Let us not be harsh. We cannot choose who we love. It just happens.

Believe me, you haven't seen harsh yet. We may not be able to chose who we love, but we sure as hell better be responsible enough to know not to fall in love with a child.

The OP sought advice so let's stick to giving advice and keep our judgment to ourselves. Don't judge lest we be judged.

Typically I wouldn't judge anyone on here, but when it comes to pedophilia that's where I draw the line. Go ahead and give him advice though.

Marrying a 17-year old is not illegal in the USA. Your state laws made sure of that.

Marrying a 17 year may not be illegal in the USA, but it does require parental consent in any case. Also, just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it moral or ethical....an 18,19, 20, 21 marrying a 17 year old with parental consent..well okay, but a 27 year old? Hmmm, better be for the right reasons. At any rate, the marriage itself may not be illegal, but I just can't avoid thinking, well if someone is getting ready to marry a minor, don't even try to tell me there hasn't been intimate relations! That my friend is illegal.

Don't bug the OP, bug your own government. Sure, go to Dateline NBC and harangue your senators and congressmen for passing laws that encourage pedophilia and child molestation in your own country. They deserve to be jailed not the OP. All of America except Kentucky, Louisiana and W. Virginia allow their children to get married at age 16, some as young as 14 and in one state, as young as 12! Look here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm#k

I dont need to look there. I know what's legal and what isn't legal, and you can bet your ####### the things going on between these two are illegal. You can paint a pretty picture, and hide behind your silly laws all you like, but it still doesn't mean that having intimate relations and preparing to marry this child is at all moral. I can see it now, as he's explaining to his family and friends that she told him she was 19 when they met. The entire relationship based on a complete lie. I don't know about the rest of you, but that wouldn't fly around my friends or family. I'd be hung up by my toes and send to the pedophile factory.

To the OP, I still wish you the best.

Support the OP all you want though. Nurture the rest of the pedophiles on this site for all I care.

Lying about one's age, especially when it comes to women happens all the time. Are you saying that if you started to date a woman who, for example, was 40, but she told you she was 37, and you later found out the truth, you'd dump her over it??? Keith has done nothing illegal and has fully disclosed her age on the K-1 Visa which was approved. Lighten up and step down from your pedestal - you should really use more discretion when calling someone here on VJ, something as slanderous as a pedophile. Don't bear false witness...remember that one?

Edited September 7, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

[Ana and Dan 0]

Let us not be harsh. We cannot choose who we love. It just happens.

Believe me, you haven't seen harsh yet. We may not be able to chose who we love, but we sure as hell better be responsible enough to know not to fall in love with a child.

The OP sought advice so let's stick to giving advice and keep our judgment to ourselves. Don't judge lest we be judged.

Typically I wouldn't judge anyone on here, but when it comes to pedophilia that's where I draw the line. Go ahead and give him advice though.

Marrying a 17-year old is not illegal in the USA. Your state laws made sure of that.

Marrying a 17 year may not be illegal in the USA, but it does require parental consent in any case. Also, just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it moral or ethical....an 18,19, 20, 21 marrying a 17 year old with parental consent..well okay, but a 27 year old? Hmmm, better be for the right reasons. At any rate, the marriage itself may not be illegal, but I just can't avoid thinking, well if someone is getting ready to marry a minor, don't even try to tell me there hasn't been intimate relations! That my friend is illegal.

Don't bug the OP, bug your own government. Sure, go to Dateline NBC and harangue your senators and congressmen for passing laws that encourage pedophilia and child molestation in your own country. They deserve to be jailed not the OP. All of America except Kentucky, Louisiana and W. Virginia allow their children to get married at age 16, some as young as 14 and in one state, as young as 12! Look here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/topics/Table_Marriage.htm#k

I dont need to look there. I know what's legal and what isn't legal, and you can bet your ####### the things going on between these two are illegal. You can paint a pretty picture, and hide behind your silly laws all you like, but it still doesn't mean that having intimate relations and preparing to marry this child is at all moral. I can see it now, as he's explaining to his family and friends that she told him she was 19 when they met. The entire relationship based on a complete lie. I don't know about the rest of you, but that wouldn't fly around my friends or family. I'd be hung up by my toes and send to the pedophile factory.

To the OP, I still wish you the best.

Support the OP all you want though. Nurture the rest of the pedophiles on this site for all I care.

Lying about one's age, especially when it comes to women happens all the time. Are you saying that if you started to date a woman who, for example, was 40, but she told you she was 37, and you later found out the truth, you'd dump her over it??? Keith has done nothing illegal and has fully disclosed her age on the K-1 Visa which was approved. Lighten up and step down from your pedestal - you should really use more discretion when calling someone here on VJ, something as slanderous as a pedophile. Don't bear false witness...remember that one?

Ya a lie is a lie is a lie, but how dare you compare? Your missing the entire point!! Here's the difference. Listen closely. When a 40 year old lies about her age, that would make her 37 years old, but she's still an adult!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When a 19 year old lies about her age, and she turns out to be 16, she goes from an adult to a child!!!!!!!!!! The police wont give a damn if you try to tell them "well jeez officer, she told me she was 19 so it wasn't my fault I was intimate with her." Afraid that excuse isn't going to work with the police. I dont care if he came clean with the age thing. It's still immoral and disgusting. Terrible comparison there. I can't believe how many people on this site support his behavior. Next flame?

Edited September 7, 2006 by Ana and Dan

[SirLancelot 1]

Ya a lie is a lie is a lie, but how dare you compare? Your missing the entire point!! Here's the difference. Listen closely. When a 40 year old lies about her age, that would make her 37 years old, but she's still an adult!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When a 19 year old lies about her age, and she turns out to be 16, she goes from an adult to a child!!!!!!!!!! The police wont give a damn if you try to tell them "well jeez officer, she told me she was 19 so it wasn't my fault I was intimate with her." Afraid that excuse isn't going to work with the police. I dont care if he came clean with the age thing. It's still immoral and disgusting. Terrible comparison there. I can't believe how many people on this site support his behavior. Next flame?

Yep, exactly right. This is the #1 excuse lawyers use to defend their clients who has committed statutory rape. Oh, she lied about her age. I thought she was 19. That doesn't fly. And it is funny that both the OP and another guy used this same lame ####### excuse to justify their relationship.

[Pinay Wife 47]

Typically I wouldn't judge anyone on here, but when it comes to pedophilia that's where I draw the line. Go ahead and give him advice though.

It’s easy to judge when you’re not the one wearing the shoe.

It was wrong for you to assume that they “did it” without giving him the benefit of the doubt. You accused him of being a pervert and called him a pedophile, and wanted to humiliate him. Pedophile or not, you were so quick to judge when you don’t even know his entire story.

Marrying a 17 year may not be illegal in the USA, but it does require parental consent in any case. Also, just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it moral or ethical

No argument about that. I agree that legal doesn’t make it moral either hence our advice is for him to wait til she’s 18. I was not advocating marriage at 17.

but I just can't avoid thinking, well if someone is getting ready to marry a minor, don't even try to tell me there hasn't been intimate relations! That my friend is illegal.

I say, you have a perverted mind. I don’t even want to delve into that, my friend. That is something very personal to them.

I dont need to look there. I know what's legal and what isn't legal, and you can bet your ####### the things going on between these two are illegal.

There you go again, Mr. judge and jury. If you knew what's legal and illegal, you wouldn't threaten having the OP thrown to jail for thinking of marrying a 17-year old. Immoral in your eyes but legal. Your case wouldn't stick in court. So no jail time.

You can paint a pretty picture, and hide behind your silly laws all you like

Yeah, I support my arguments with silly laws. I like doing that to add credibility. Oh, and by the way, those are your country's silly laws, not mine.

Support the OP all you want though. Nurture the rest of the pedophiles on this site for all I care.

I wish you the best OP! But make sure you’re ####### is covered by my silly laws, make sure she's 18 by the time she leaves the Philippines! Good luck!

[cordy 0]

Ya a lie is a lie is a lie, but how dare you compare? Your missing the entire point!! Here's the difference. Listen closely. When a 40 year old lies about her age, that would make her 37 years old, but she's still an adult!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When a 19 year old lies about her age, and she turns out to be 16, she goes from an adult to a child!!!!!!!!!! The police wont give a damn if you try to tell them "well jeez officer, she told me she was 19 so it wasn't my fault I was intimate with her." Afraid that excuse isn't going to work with the police. I dont care if he came clean with the age thing. It's still immoral and disgusting. Terrible comparison there. I can't believe how many people on this site support his behavior. Next flame?

Yep, exactly right. This is the #1 excuse lawyers use to defend their clients who has committed statutory rape. Oh, she lied about her age. I thought she was 19. That doesn't fly. And it is funny that both the OP and another guy used this same lame ####### excuse to justify their relationship.

i aint from both side so just asking that dont you think your argument falls into a fallacy of HASTY CONCLUSION??? assuming the worse, insisting your argument is correct w/ out really looking the 3rd side of a coin? immoral and disgusting??? on whos standard? where are you basing your theory??? 13-16 is a guestimate age of Mary the mother Christ when she conceived. still a child yes??? why Her then???... perhaps its the norm during those times... but now im just playing some devil's advocate on to whos norm or theorist you're basing your persisting argument why you can say its disgusting and immoral... if its just your personal opinion then i guess another story and who knows you might be excuse for such conduct... peace bro

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Typically I wouldn't judge anyone on here, but when it comes to pedophilia that's where I draw the line. Go ahead and give him advice though.

It’s easy to judge when you’re not the one wearing the shoe.

It was wrong for you to assume that they “did it” without giving him the benefit of the doubt. You accused him of being a pervert and called him a pedophile, and wanted to humiliate him. Pedophile or not, you were so quick to judge when you don’t even know his entire story.

Marrying a 17 year may not be illegal in the USA, but it does require parental consent in any case. Also, just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it moral or ethical

No argument about that. I agree that legal doesn’t make it moral either hence our advice is for him to wait til she’s 18. I was not advocating marriage at 17.

but I just can't avoid thinking, well if someone is getting ready to marry a minor, don't even try to tell me there hasn't been intimate relations! That my friend is illegal.

I say, you have a perverted mind. I don’t even want to delve into that, my friend. That is something very personal to them.

I dont need to look there. I know what's legal and what isn't legal, and you can bet your ####### the things going on between these two are illegal.

There you go again, Mr. judge and jury. If you knew what's legal and illegal, you wouldn't threaten having the OP thrown to jail for thinking of marrying a 17-year old. Immoral in your eyes but legal. Your case wouldn't stick in court. So no jail time.

You can paint a pretty picture, and hide behind your silly laws all you like

Yeah, I support my arguments with silly laws. I like doing that to add credibility. Oh, and by the way, those are your country's silly laws, not mine.

Support the OP all you want though. Nurture the rest of the pedophiles on this site for all I care.

I wish you the best OP! But make sure you’re ####### is covered by my silly laws, make sure she's 18 by the time she leaves the Philippines! Good luck!

[Alex+R 0]

Typically I wouldn't judge anyone on here, but when it comes to pedophilia that's where I draw the line. Go ahead and give him advice though.

It’s easy to judge when you’re not the one wearing the shoe.

It was wrong for you to assume that they “did it” without giving him the benefit of the doubt. You accused him of being a pervert and called him a pedophile, and wanted to humiliate him. Pedophile or not, you were so quick to judge when you don’t even know his entire story.

Marrying a 17 year may not be illegal in the USA, but it does require parental consent in any case. Also, just because something isn't illegal doesn't make it moral or ethical

No argument about that. I agree that legal doesn’t make it moral either hence our advice is for him to wait til she’s 18. I was not advocating marriage at 17.

but I just can't avoid thinking, well if someone is getting ready to marry a minor, don't even try to tell me there hasn't been intimate relations! That my friend is illegal.

I say, you have a perverted mind. I don’t even want to delve into that, my friend. That is something very personal to them.

I dont need to look there. I know what's legal and what isn't legal, and you can bet your ####### the things going on between these two are illegal.

There you go again, Mr. judge and jury. If you knew what's legal and illegal, you wouldn't threaten having the OP thrown to jail for thinking of marrying a 17-year old. Immoral in your eyes but legal. Your case wouldn't stick in court. So no jail time.

You can paint a pretty picture, and hide behind your silly laws all you like

Yeah, I support my arguments with silly laws. I like doing that to add credibility. Oh, and by the way, those are your country's silly laws, not mine.

Support the OP all you want though. Nurture the rest of the pedophiles on this site for all I care.

I wish you the best OP! But make sure you’re ####### is covered by my silly laws, make sure she's 18 by the time she leaves the Philippines! Good luck!

Steven, I usually agree with what you have to say, but you're wildly off the mark here.

If a woman tells you she's 37 and she's 40, big deal? What kind of argument is that? As Ana and Dan said, there's a lot bigger difference between 15 and 17 and 19 than ages upwards of 25.

If the couple who are engaged are not having sex because she is underage, that somehow validates this engagement? Are you guys out of your minds!? If your SO is so young that it's not legal to consummate the relationship, um... I'm not sure what I should be needing to say here.

If our laws in our country allow for child brides, that's equally wrong. Not any more right than picking out your child bride from Southeast Asia. I will say, though, that people who seek out very young, teeny-tiny, weak-English speaking women, are looking for--dare I say it--Mail Order Brides. GROSS.

I hate the fact that American men have apparently been raised to seek out these inappropriate relationships. Something is obviously wrong with society at large, and Steven, I can't believe you are condoning it.

[Yodrak 7]

Ana and Dan,

You're making an unwarranted - and incorrect - assumption.

Why do you destroy the credibility of your valid points by making invalid ones?

Yodrak

.... You're marring a 17 year old?? So this must means you had some sort of level of intimacy with her probably as early as 15. Bottom line, what you're doing is illegal. ....

Edited September 7, 2006 by Yodrak