Imagine This: A Government That Says F-U To Trials And Incarcerates People Even After Found NOT Guilty.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Now this is some scary #######.... If they are willing to do it at Gitmo......

Geez...

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/guantanamo-bay-executive-order-sends-mixed-signals/story?id=13086929

President Obama's decision Monday to resume military commissions at Guantanamo Bay was no surprise but it sends mixed signals about the future of the controversial detention center and the president's own standing on the issue, experts say.

Closing the detainee center at Guantanamo Bay was one of the first orders of business Obama announced more than two years ago when he took office.

But the idea has been met with resistance from both Democratic and Republican lawmakers alike, many of whom are against transferring detainees to prisons in mainland United States.

Even as the Obama administration announced it's resuming military tribunals, however, it continues to argue that the detention center will eventually be shuttered in keeping with the president's original promise.

"The president's ongoing commitment to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay holds, and in fact, we've taken a number of actions in service of that goal," a senior administration official said Monday. "What we are also concurrently focused on is making sure that we are meeting the president's goal of bringing terrorists to justice while we pursue the broader framework that allows us to act consistent with our security and our values."

The White House is sending a conflicting message to critics of Guantanamo Bay, experts say.

"On the one hand, it improves operations and processes at Guantanamo and it improves the legal framework under which the U.S. government conducts detention operations," said Matthew Waxman, a professor at Columbia Law School who served as deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs in the George W. Bush administration.

"On the other hand, the reason why this order is in place is to put Guantanamo policy on a stronger foundation for the long term," he added, and critics "worry this is a step towards making Guantanamo permanent or at least keeping it open."

At the same time, it also did little to appease supporters of the detention center.

Obama's executive order calls for indefinite detention providing for a periodic review of those detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some Republicans say they want to see more trials.

"The thing is that justice should be a trial and to do something with the people who should be responsible for this. So indefinite detention, I don't think, is a good idea," Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said on Fox News Monday. "Let's go ahead and have trials and justice."

Critics of keeping the detainee center open say it only creates a disturbing "new normal."

"While appearing to be a step in the right direction, providing more process to Guantanamo detainees is just window dressing for the reality that today's executive order institutionalizes indefinite detention, which is unlawful, unwise and un-American," Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V4oqr5iP-g

[JohnSmith2007 353]

This is pretty much the same attitude that Bush took. There were some people that we knew were dangerous but we didn't have enough evidence to convict even in a military tribunal. He was holding them without trial as well. It does seem that now that Obama is faced with the same dilemma he has chosen the same solution.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Has Obama the Socialist done anything right? Is he the biggest moron ever to hold office?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Indefinite detention is certainly not a good thing. However it is not only possible, but in my opinion highly likely that Bush and Obama know more than we mere citizens do about many held at Guantanimo.

When he took office and vowed to close Guantanimo it was a horrible idea. Now not closing it is a bad idea. To answer the Texan, to many folks no, Obama can never be right.