Apple under fire for allowing app that 'cures' homosexuality

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

not that long ago, consent to homosexual acts was illegal and considered immoral too. which is it, grown adults can or can't make their own decisions about their sexual choices?

There are reasons that incest is legal - it's because the act is predatory, which makes the idea of 'informed consent' highly dubious.

[Ban Hammer 13,530]

There are reasons that incest is legal - it's because the act is predatory, which makes the idea of 'informed consent' highly dubious.

incest is legal now? when did this happen?

then ####### are we going back and forth about? it's a moot issue!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

incest is legal now? when did this happen?

Ooh a typo - haven't seen one of those in a while

You're right - it's not legal. So what now?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I'm surprised nobody has brought up Woody Allen.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I think it does.

Were both into hot looking chicks Gary, so I guess that makes us old school.

[Ban Hammer 13,530]

Ooh a typo - haven't seen one of those in a while

You're right - it's not legal. So what now?

so you don't have a problem with some adults having the ability to engage in sexual relations and other adults not having that freedom of choice - because the law says so. how 1800's.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

so you don't have a problem with some adults having the ability to engage in sexual relations and other adults not having that freedom of choice - because the law says so. how 1800's.

The word you are looking for here is nuance. That is, being able to recognise that there are differences (both subtle and fundamental) between one issue and another.

Presumably the recognition that incest is illegal led you to the conclusion that my objection to incest is based purely on legality. It isn't.

In fact, to address the issue of consent we don't even need to go to crazy extremes like incest. Student-teacher relationships are frowned upon, (regardless of whether the student is of the age of consent) as are relationships between managers and subordinates.

[Dan and Judy 614]

There are plenty of wackos that would gladly ban things you and your wife do and my wife and I do.

I hope your not talking about the diapers, watermelon and Justin Bieber wig.

Edited March 24, 2011 by Dan and Judy

[Ban Hammer 13,530]

The word you are looking for here is nuance. That is, being able to recognise that there are differences (both subtle and fundamental) between one issue and another.

Presumably the recognition that incest is illegal led you to the conclusion that my objection to incest is based purely on legality. It isn't.

In fact, to address the issue of consent we don't even need to go to crazy extremes like incest. Student-teacher relationships are frowned upon, (regardless of whether the student is of the age of consent) as are relationships between managers and subordinates.

oh yes, nuance!

as for student-teacher, that's a conflict of interest as is manager-subordinate. in the former, it's about grades. in the latter, it's about pay.

maybe you can tell us what conflict of interest there is with incest between adults?

[Dan and Judy 614]

not unless duncan is also the captain.

again, consenting adults.

I was wrong.

boy it sure feels good to get that off my chest. In the name of historical accuracy "Why Me" was the first to broach the subject

of beastiality in this thread. post #23

and anyone who disagrees with someone screwing their sheep, horse, whatever is going to be labeled a bigot. I'm sick of this #######. The buck has to stop somewhere.

Edited March 24, 2011 by Dan and Judy

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

oh yes, nuance!

as for student-teacher, that's a conflict of interest as is manager-subordinate. in the former, it's about grades. in the latter, it's about pay.

maybe you can tell us what conflict of interest there is with incest between adults?

Well first off - I'd dispense with the 'us' seeing as there are only two people in this converation.

But sure, let's talk about incest between so-called consenting adults and how it differs from homosexual relationships. It seems to me that there are two inherent assumptions in your argument.

First - adult incest is analogous to homosexuality

No. Incest has a completely different impact on the family dynamic than homosexuality does. If you're gay - you may have to deal with social prejudice and the disapproval of family members, but it doesn't fundamentally change the interpersonal dynamic of the family unit - your father is still your father, even if he hates you.

In an incestuous relationship the roles played by family members radically changes - for example, the father is both the father and the lover of his daughter. Altering the roles played by family members damages the traditional nurturing function of the family - in this case because the daughter is sexually objectified by her father. Because of this - homosexuality (and yes, gay marriage) do not set a precedent for legalising adult incest.

Second - it is possible to give consent in incestuous relationships.

I'd say this is false too. In the example of the Columbia professor - he is both the father of his daughter and her lover. It seems to me that a person doesn't just wake up one morning and suddenly decide that they like the look of their daughter and want to give her a good pounding. What that suggests is that the relationship between the father and the daughter was never normal - and that there may well have been some sort of abuse (whether it be physical, sexual, psychological or emotional) going back many years - perhaps even before the daughter was of legal age.

That raises questions as to the legitimacy of the consent - and as we know, merely being of legal age does not mean a person is able to give legal consent if a person is deemed to be not of sound mind.

It goes back to the idea that the incestuous relationship between the professor and his daughter (and I'd say in most forms of incest) is an unequal relationship where one party, likely the father, has power and dominance over his daughter.

By contrast, homosexuality is (usually, not always - though this holds true for heterosexual relationships too) an equal relationship between two parties. An incestuous relationship, specifically between a parent and child can never be equal.

Edited March 24, 2011 by fishdude

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I was wrong.

boy it sure feels good to get that off my chest. In the name of historical accuracy "Why Me" was the first to broach the subject

of beastiality in this thread. post #23

Geez thanks Dan. I mean I couldn't have done it any better with a billboard and flashing colored lights. Why_Me !!!

[Dan and Judy 614]

I was wrong I was wrong I was wrong

Wow that felt so good the first time, I had to say it again

I feel a spiritual awakening. My mind is floating outside my body. I just want

to hug all you guys!!!!!!

Come on how about a big group hug. What happens in VJ can stay in VJ.

My lips are sealed.

[Ban Hammer 13,530]

I was wrong.

boy it sure feels good to get that off my chest. In the name of historical accuracy "Why Me" was the first to broach the subject

of beastiality in this thread. post #23

and you're right - and i was wrong too! i guess that's what i get for not paying much attention to what he posts

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I was wrong I was wrong I was wrong

Wow that felt so good the first time, I had to say it again

I feel a spiritual awakening. My mind is floating outside my body. I just want

to hug all you guys!!!!!!

Come on how about a big group hug. What happens in VJ can stay in VJ.

My lips are sealed.

You got to be about the craziest mofo on here.

and you're right - and i was wrong too! i guess that's what i get for not paying much attention to what he posts

ummm ya thanks charles.