Where were the French and the British

[Dan and Judy 614]

Hey where were the French and the British when Lincoln was wiping out the Rebels in the Southern States?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Hey where were the French and the British when Lincoln was wiping out the Rebels in the Southern States?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_in_the_American_Civil_War

"Britain in the American Civil War"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Civil_War

"France in the American Civil War"

[TBoneTX 45,918]

the French

The French government announced today that it is imposing a ban on the use of fireworks at EuroDisney. The decision comes because a nightly fireworks display at the park, located 30 miles outside Paris, caused an entire nearby French army garrison to surrender to a group of Czech tourists, oui man.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hey where were the French and the British when Lincoln was wiping out the Rebels in the Southern States?

Are you asking this because of Libya?

[Dan and Judy 614]

Are you asking this because of Libya?

yes, Why didnt the French and British impose a no fly zone on Lincoln? Maybe a no float zone? He was crushing a rebellion. 600,000 people died. The South didn't have crude oil but they had cotton seed oil.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh boy.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

yes, Why didnt the French and British impose a no fly zone on Lincoln? Maybe a no float zone? He was crushing a rebellion. 600,000 people died. The South didn't have crude oil but they had cotton seed oil.

Britain nearly did! I've always wondered what would happen if the US would have squared off against the Empire near her peak. Logic would say the North may have been crushed, but I wonder given how much the North had advanced technologically. Clearly the North had far more teeth than the modern day Libyan forces.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Britain nearly did! I've always wondered what would happen if the US would have squared off against the Empire near her peak. Logic would say the North may have been crushed, but I wonder given how much the North had advanced technologically. Clearly the North had far more teeth than the modern day Libyan forces.

Britain enjoyed Naval dominance as clear as the US dominance today. Instead of the South being blockaded it would have been the North.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Britain enjoyed Naval dominance as clear as the US dominance today. Instead of the South being blockaded it would have been the North.

That depends if you think older broadside style ironclads could defeat the Passaic class. In open ocean for sure, but there is a lot of discussion about what might happen in coastal areas.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

yes, Why didnt the French and British impose a no fly zone on Lincoln?

huge area, couldn't put enough balloons to cover it.

Maybe a no float zone?

Eh, most of the US Civil War took place on land; and US coast is impossible to hermetically-seal (as Brits had already found out the hard way in 1776, and US governments since Nixon haven't yet learned)

He was crushing a rebellion. 600,000 people died. The South didn't have crude oil but they had cotton seed oil.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Saddle Bronc

[sjr09 155]

The French government announced today that it is imposing a ban on the use of fireworks at EuroDisney. The decision comes because a nightly fireworks display at the park, located 30 miles outside Paris, caused an entire nearby French army garrison to surrender to a group of Czech tourists, oui man.

For sale: French military rifles dropped once never fired, excellent condition.

[Dan and Judy 614]

huge area, couldn't put enough balloons to cover it. :lol:Eh, most of the US Civil War took place on land; and US coast is impossible to hermetically-seal (as Brits had already found out the hard way in 1776, and US governments since Nixon haven't yet learned)

Union blockade

<A class=image href="/wiki/File:CSA_FLAG_4.3.1861-21.5.1861.svg"> <A class=internal title=Enlarge href="/wiki/File:CSA_FLAG_4.3.1861-21.5.1861.svg' class='thumbimage' alt='""' />First flag of the CSAThe Union Blockade took place between 1861 and 1865, during the <A href="/wiki/American_Civil_War">American Civil War, when the <A href="/wiki/Union_Navy">Union Navy maintained a strenuous effort on the <A title="Atlantic Ocean" href="/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean">Atlantic and <A title="Gulf Coast of the United States" href="/wiki/Gulf_Coast_of_the_United_States">Gulf Coast of the <A href="/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America">Confederate States of America designed to prevent the passage of trade goods, supplies, and arms to and from the Confederacy. Ships that tried to evade the <A href="/wiki/Blockade">blockade, known as <A title="Blockade runner" href="/wiki/Blockade_runner">blockade runners, were mostly newly built, high-speed ships with small cargo capacity. They were operated by the British (using <A href="/wiki/Royal_Navy">Royal Navy officers on <A title="Leave (military)" href="/wiki/Leave_(military)">leave) and ran between Confederate-controlled ports and the neutral ports of <A href="/wiki/Havana">Havana, <A href="/wiki/Cuba">Cuba; <A href="/wiki/Nassau,_Bahamas">Nassau, Bahamas, and <A href="/wiki/Bermuda">Bermuda, where British suppliers had set up supply bases.

<A title="President of the United States" href="/wiki/President_of_the_United_States">President <A href="/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln">Abraham Lincoln proclaimed the blockade on April 19, 1861. His strategy, part of the <A href="/wiki/Anaconda_Plan">Anaconda Plan of General <A href="/wiki/Winfield_Scott">Winfield Scott, required the closure of 3,500 miles (5,600 km) of Confederate coastline and twelve major ports, including <A class=mw-redirect title="New Orleans, Louisiana" href="/wiki/New_Orleans,_Louisiana">New Orleans, Louisiana, and <A href="/wiki/Mobile,_Alabama">Mobile, Alabama, the top two <A href="/wiki/Cotton">cotton-exporting ports prior to the outbreak of the war, as well as the Atlantic ports of <A href="/wiki/Richmond,_Virginia">Richmond, Virginia, <A href="/wiki/Charleston,_South_Carolina">Charleston, South Carolina, <A href="/wiki/Savannah,_Georgia">Savannah, Georgia, and <A href="/wiki/Wilmington,_North_Carolina">Wilmington, North Carolina.^{<A href="#cite_note-0">[1]} To this end, the Union commissioned 500 ships, which destroyed or captured about 1,500 <A title="Blockade runner" href="/wiki/Blockade_runner">blockade runners over the course of the war; nonetheless, five out of six ships evading the blockade were successful.^{<A href="#cite_note-Lincoln_biography-1">[2]} However the blockade runners carried only a small fraction of the usual cargo. Thus, Confederate cotton exports were reduced 95% from 10 million bales in the three years prior to the war to just 500,000 bales during the blockade period.^{<A href="#cite_note-Lincoln_biography-1">[2]}

^{<A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade}

If the North could do it to the South, The British could do it to the North. and in the mean time the South would have had all the money and weapons they needed.

the only downside for the south is it would have galvanized public opinion in the north.

Pax Britannica, 1815–1895See also: <A href="/wiki/Pax_Britannica">Pax Britannica and <A href="/wiki/Victorian_Royal_Navy">Victorian Royal NavyThe Napoleonic Wars left Great Britain the most powerful naval country in the world, with no meaningful rivals. The country's economic and strategic strength was buttressed by the fleet; localized military action was a staple of the not-entirely-peaceful "<A href="/wiki/Pax_Britannica">Pax Britannica". In addition, the threat of naval force was a significant factor in diplomacy. The navy was not idle however; the 19th century witnessed a series of transformations that turned the old wooden sailing navy into one of steam and steel.

After 1827 there were no major battles until 1914. The navy was used against shore installations, such as those in the Baltic and Black Sea in 1854 and 1855, to fight pirates; to hunt down slave ships; and to assist the army when sailors and marines were landed as naval brigades, as on many occasions between the siege of Sebastopol and the 1900 Boxer Rebellion. With a fleet larger than any two rivals combined, the British nation could take security for granted, but at all times the national leaders and public opinion supported a powerful navy, and service was of high prestige.^[14]

http://en.wikipedia...._the_Royal_Navy

Edited March 23, 2011 by Dan and Judy

[Dan and Judy 614]

If the North could do it to the South, The British could do it to the North. and in the mean time the South would have had all the money and weapons they needed.

the only downside for the south is it would have galvanized public opinion in the north.

Wow all that weird stuff wasn't in the first quote when I copied and pasted it. Sorry bout that

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

If the North could do it to the South, The British could do it to the North. and in the mean time the South would have had all the money and weapons they needed.

the only downside for the south is it would have galvanized public opinion in the north.

I think the key thing here is that Britain had a ocean going global fleet. The North had a coastal fleet that IMO was technologically superior, though it is a question on the numbers as the Royal Navy could produce them. However, the Empire would have been hard pressed to employ much of its navy or armies given its tedious position in central asia. While Britain did succeed against Russia, they did have to maintain their forces there.

Personally I think the Southern Blockade would have been broken ultimately lengthening the war but the South would have still fallen (I think this is generally accepted conclusion by historians) which makes you wonder what would have happened to Canada.