Going to Kiev in 7 days, any tips?

[baron555 934]

I see what you mean, guys, but still...

Knowing each other and talking on the internet before you meet each other in person is a bit different, don't you think?

Personally I don't agree with this statement but to each their own.

I paid my money to select my MOB from the catalog and after three months determined that she was a keeper and then we met and both agreed. I was determined to get married to a blond Russian hottie and wasn't about to waste my time dilly-dallying about. Many people are less decisive and need more time.

Of course I got lucky and found a real woman and she got lucky too. But we both agree our luck was also because of our individual and collective hard work.

[~Johnny~ 27]

Yeah, we been doing the internet boogey thingn for about 3 months. Neither of us ever mentioned the "L" word... we both feel it's not possible to have that happen until two people physically meet. I been pretty much exclusively writing/chatting/camming only her. But you never know if you both have that "magic" until you see face-to-face or eye-to-eye. Just for that reason alone, I had coordinated with the agency to see if a few others that I liked earlier in my search may be interested to meet if my initial plans fell through. I don't know exactly what they asked the other girls but a few days later they assured me that both choices were highly interested in meeting me. I really don't expect that I'll be seeking to meet other girls...but I did that just in case something goes wrong and I won't be sitting alone in a flat wondering why I didn't plan for possible problems. I think it's cool that we have the net for all it's wonders (including VJ ), but nothing replaces sitting next to a beautiful woman and hearing her speak and looking in her eyes, and holding her hands. I think only then will we discover if we have anything there worth fighting for in the long Visa Journey ahead. It just may be that we both meet and instantly have it going on. Or maybe we meet and both feel it's just not there. Either way, I get to visit a wonderful place.

[baron555 934]

My wife and I never started using using the Love word until when we received the NOA2. Our relationship had progressed also during this wait period.

Now we both will admit to our craziness for agreeing to become married to each other prior to using the Love word but we now know that it was a good decision. We also had laid ground rules that allowed either to bail on the entire process at any time for any reason. Our deadline for the final Go decision was at day #60 after entry and she had the final say.

We were married on day number 24.

Edited March 17, 2011 by baron555

[Captain Hammer 113]

Since Johnny is talking about his Plan B also, it seems a little bit too early. Knowing each other and talking on the internet before you meet each other in person is a bit different, don't you think?

Some years ago I would have agreed. But the times they are a'changing, and I think this site proves that you can have just as deep a relationship through correspondence and web-camming as you can in person. In fact, my parents met only a week before he had to leave on a ship, and they maintained a relationship through snail-mail letters for almost a year. He proposed to her in a letter, and when he finally made it back to the states they were married after having only physically known each other for two weeks. So I think it can happen. It's just harder is all.

Plus, really, the padlock tradition is mostly for weddings - people engrave their names and the wedding date on the lock. As I said before, some couples do it without having the wedding, but it's pretty rare.

I'll have to ask my wife, but I'm pretty sure that at least in the case of this bridge, it's for "lovers," not just marriages. I agree that I wouldn't do it right then and there on the first day, but it might be appropriate towards the end of his visit.

And yes, I'm pracmatic, so is my fiance. That's why we waited for 2 years before getting engaged. It's not like I'm saying that everybody should do that... just explaining why it seems kind of weird for me.

Yep, understood, or at least I do. Different strokes I guess.

[Captain Hammer 113]

I don't know exactly what they asked the other girls but a few days later they assured me that both choices were highly interested in meeting me.

Just be careful about this. The agency is of course going to tell you anything to make sure they are your primary backup. Chances are they didn't even call the girls, and if you happen to show up on their doorstep, those girls mysteriously had to go visit sick babushka or work at the last minute, but hey, here's a binder with some very nice girls! And that may work out too, just don't have high expectations that they've gone out of their way to accommodate you. And if you do actually wind up with one of the girls you'd been interested in, she may not appreciate being your second choice.

[baron555 934]

Regardless I think we all can agree, depending if the relationship is at the proper stage, whipping out a padlock and clasping it together us a very romantic and classy act, especially if she is unawares. Johnny would earn big big points.

Women esp FSU women love that kind of stuff.

And, that from their man.

[Captain Hammer 113]

Regardless I think we all can agree, depending if the relationship is at the proper stage, whipping out a padlock and clasping it together us a very romantic and classy act, especially if she is unawares. Johnny would earn big big points.

100% agreed.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Whoa! I had no idea there was a second one!

I'd like to see the movie of this dude's life.

The girl on the treadmill is native FSU, has to be! They can walk like that in 3" heels on cobblestones, no sh*t!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

In my experience, the boys just ask. I find it much more polite than to be confronted with bouncing breasts and asked if it's my scene. But that's just me.

And when the boy's asked you, did you answer with something like...; "Bring it on !"

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Regardless I think we all can agree, depending if the relationship is at the proper stage, whipping out a padlock and clasping it together us a very romantic and classy act, especially if she is unawares. Johnny would earn big big points.

Women esp FSU women love that kind of stuff.

And, that from their man.

If Johnny met her on a marriage agency website the woman is serious about marriage. She s talking to him for the purpose of marriage. If she did not have that intent or at least some idea of marrying Johnny, she would not have spent so much time already talking to him. I do not think she would he offended or scared by the lock gesture. I would not have done it for Alla because I met her entirely by chance (but I swear within a couple minutes I realized I had met my wife, she says she took until the next day to think that) Had I done it the evening I met her, she probably would have run screaming.

Nothing wrong with having other people lined up to meet but make sure this one is not right until you do that and let her know. She quite likely plans to spend every available moment with you and has no plans to leave you loose for other women. Tneother women fully understand the value of "meeting you" even if just to shake hands and smile for a photo. If anything develops from there you already have evidence of meeting in person. You may be able to arrange something at the agency to meet several women at the office, smile, shake hands, ect. Take photos, you know.

[~Johnny~ 27]

If Johnny met her on a marriage agency website the woman is serious about marriage. She s talking to him for the purpose of marriage. If she did not have that intent or at least some idea of marrying Johnny, she would not have spent so much time already talking to him. I do not think she would he offended or scared by the lock gesture. I would not have done it for Alla because I met her entirely by chance (but I swear within a couple minutes I realized I had met my wife, she says she took until the next day to think that) Had I done it the evening I met her, she probably would have run screaming.

Nothing wrong with having other people lined up to meet but make sure this one is not right until you do that and let her know. She quite likely plans to spend every available moment with you and has no plans to leave you loose for other women. Tneother women fully understand the value of "meeting you" even if just to shake hands and smile for a photo. If anything develops from there you already have evidence of meeting in person. You may be able to arrange something at the agency to meet several women at the office, smile, shake hands, ect. Take photos, you know.

Hey thanks Gary. Yeah.. I really doubt I'm gonna see anyone else but my girl, specially if she has her way I just asked the agency to check because they were recommending that while in Kiev, I can drop by the office and meet others and have a backup plan. I'm pretty sure my girl won't let me get too far away. She wanted to meet at the airport to make sure I made to my flat ok, but my apartment has a car service. So she's gonna wait at the flat. During the past few months, we talked about many many serious future subjects and I think we'll be fine unless we had a total failure first meeting. Her English is broken a bit, understandable but the way she talks drives me INSANE. I could listen to it all day and not understand a word she says but still sounds soooo good! I told her I can manage on my own while she's at work but she insists her roommate, who happens to be 27 and smoking hot as well and speaks good English, will keep me company during the afternoons while my girl's at work. I'm gonna pick up a padlock anyway, just in case. I think it's good idea, kind of like that American "key to your heart thing." And yeah, my girl is definitely marriage minded. She's ready for kids and being a mom and all that. I think most agency girls over 25 are thinking marriage. I think the younger ones are just playing. She's 26 and I think at that age they start thinking about starting the family. I have another trip planned for August, to meet the parents if all goes well next week. Her father is actually 15 years older than her mom, she said our age difference won't bother them at all, long as she has a good man. She's from Mariupol, so we'd be heading out there in August for a few days. I think in the big picture, (just thinking ahead) if we hit it off next week, then by August when I return from 2nd trip, you guys will be hearing me with talk of petition filed, NOA1, NOA2..and why is Vermont so FN slooooowwwwww...all over again...

[Nina~ 431]

Hey thanks Gary. Yeah.. I really doubt I'm gonna see anyone else but my girl, specially if she has her way I just asked the agency to check because they were recommending that while in Kiev, I can drop by the office and meet others and have a backup plan. I'm pretty sure my girl won't let me get too far away. She wanted to meet at the airport to make sure I made to my flat ok, but my apartment has a car service. So she's gonna wait at the flat. During the past few months, we talked about many many serious future subjects and I think we'll be fine unless we had a total failure first meeting. Her English is broken a bit, understandable but the way she talks drives me INSANE. I could listen to it all day and not understand a word she says but still sounds soooo good! I told her I can manage on my own while she's at work but she insists her roommate, who happens to be 27 and smoking hot as well and speaks good English, will keep me company during the afternoons while my girl's at work. I'm gonna pick up a padlock anyway, just in case. I think it's good idea, kind of like that American "key to your heart thing." And yeah, my girl is definitely marriage minded. She's ready for kids and being a mom and all that. I think most agency girls over 25 are thinking marriage. I think the younger ones are just playing. She's 26 and I think at that age they start thinking about starting the family. I have another trip planned for August, to meet the parents if all goes well next week. Her father is actually 15 years older than her mom, she said our age difference won't bother them at all, long as she has a good man. She's from Mariupol, so we'd be heading out there in August for a few days. I think in the big picture, (just thinking ahead) if we hit it off next week, then by August when I return from 2nd trip, you guys will be hearing me with talk of petition filed, NOA1, NOA2..and why is Vermont so FN slooooowwwwww...all over again...

Aren't you jumping the gun a little. If I remember your previous posts correctly, you just recently went through a nasty divorce with a filipina and was thinking about petitioning for a Colombian lady friend. And here you are a few months later ready to put a "padlock" with an Ukrainian. I don't presume to know or understand what is going on in your life, but it would be wise to take you time with the matters of the heart.. especially since you have little girl to think of.

[~Johnny~ 27]

Aren't you jumping the gun a little. If I remember your previous posts correctly, you just recently went through a nasty divorce with a filipina and was thinking about petitioning for a Colombian lady friend. And here you are a few months later ready to put a "padlock" with an Ukrainian. I don't presume to know or understand what is going on in your life, but it would be wise to take you time with the matters of the heart.. especially since you have little girl to think of.

I don't ever recall petitioning a Colombian friend or even thinking about it... I went to visit a friend in Peru last November, but never a thought or a mention or anything such as a petition was ever in my mind there. I just went for some friendship, that was always the plan there. I knew that girl for years and she was worried about me. We both knew there was no magic and I still wasn't healed yet.

As far as the filipina, that was last May and the marriage was less than a month. She disappeared in June and haven't seen her since. How long is a person supposed to wait?? 1 year, 2 years??? What's the protocol?? I decided, this year, that I'm ready, that's all that counts.

Edited March 18, 2011 by ~Johnny~

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hey thanks Gary. Yeah.. I really doubt I'm gonna see anyone else but my girl, specially if she has her way I just asked the agency to check because they were recommending that while in Kiev, I can drop by the office and meet others and have a backup plan. I'm pretty sure my girl won't let me get too far away. She wanted to meet at the airport to make sure I made to my flat ok, but my apartment has a car service. So she's gonna wait at the flat. During the past few months, we talked about many many serious future subjects and I think we'll be fine unless we had a total failure first meeting. Her English is broken a bit, understandable but the way she talks drives me INSANE. I could listen to it all day and not understand a word she says but still sounds soooo good! I told her I can manage on my own while she's at work but she insists her roommate, who happens to be 27 and smoking hot as well and speaks good English, will keep me company during the afternoons while my girl's at work. I'm gonna pick up a padlock anyway, just in case. I think it's good idea, kind of like that American "key to your heart thing." And yeah, my girl is definitely marriage minded. She's ready for kids and being a mom and all that. I think most agency girls over 25 are thinking marriage. I think the younger ones are just playing. She's 26 and I think at that age they start thinking about starting the family. I have another trip planned for August, to meet the parents if all goes well next week. Her father is actually 15 years older than her mom, she said our age difference won't bother them at all, long as she has a good man. She's from Mariupol, so we'd be heading out there in August for a few days. I think in the big picture, (just thinking ahead) if we hit it off next week, then by August when I return from 2nd trip, you guys will be hearing me with talk of petition filed, NOA1, NOA2..and why is Vermont so FN slooooowwwwww...all over again...

OMG! She is serious, she has her roommate watching you. They tend to be posessive, did I mention that?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Good luck Johnny. I suggest you go to the "crash and burn" forum, also known around here as the "I coulda had an FSU wife" forum. See how many Russian/Ukrainian and Belarus "flags" you see there. MCat doesn't count.

Edited March 18, 2011 by Gary and Alla