Bush lied??

[gimygirl 0]

[KarenCee 3]

You forget that many people who collect medicare and social security have paid money into the system for decades, thus the government is just returning money to them. If this is paid out of income taxes then only because it squandered the money these people paid throughout their lifetime.

The military budget is financed exclusively out of income taxes and I'm sure once you total that out the percentages will look different. But, I agree it's not fair because in the same way you oppose having your tax money go towards welfare, I hate to see my taxes go towards defense. There should be a system which allows you to determine to which part of government your taxes go.

At one time it was touted that Social Security will eventually be tapped out and my generation will never see any of what we've put in. I hate to think of my tax dollars disappearing this way. I have heard a few say that going on Social Security is a form of welfare too. For those of us who contribute to this system for years on top of years deserve to benefit from it. I don't see this as welfare, since I've already worked for this money.

I wish it were possible for us to determine which part of government our tax dollars benefit. Of course, one of my top priorities would be education. Then schools could eliminate the many fundraisers needed to purchase equipment and supplies.

Edited September 3, 2006 by KarenCee

[jjjimmy 0]

just for the record we are not all socially and economically created equal. social programs are sometimes missused, but are nessesary in our society.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

so not funny

[jjjimmy 0]

i have to agree....NOT FUNNY

[Scott & Lai 12]

Are you kidding yourself or what?

You see, as a military man I understand what type of war it is. It is the long, frustrating one that takes years because you do not know who the enemy is. If Iraq or Iran was in our shoes, they would take a page from the Waffen-SS and liquidate entire towns to solve the problem.

That assumes that the military offensive waged by the US uses somehow different methods then other militaries, which it might be, even though attacks like the one on Fallujah suggest that the difference is not as big as we would like it to be. Also, it evokes a tired and overworn comparison with the Nazis which is just an easy way to stigmatize the enemy (missing the true nature of the enemy) and to justify a war that is not just.

At what point were the Nazis and WWII put into a hermetically sealed compartment, bearing no relevance on anything today?

And when Roosevelt sent our forces in to Germany and Japan, did he create more Nazis and Japanese Imperialist/Emperor cultists?

At what point were the Nazis and WWII put into a hermetically sealed compartment, bearing no relavance on anything today?

edit: Perhaps I should have said, "...bearing no relevance on anything today, except for the Bush Administration..."

Edited September 4, 2006 by Scott & Lai

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

At what point were the Nazis and WWII put into a hermetically sealed compartment, bearing no relevance on anything today?

This ain't WWIII nor is Saddam Hitler - not even close. But go on comparing apples with oranges if it makes your day!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Are you kidding yourself or what?

You see, as a military man I understand what type of war it is. It is the long, frustrating one that takes years because you do not know who the enemy is. If Iraq or Iran was in our shoes, they would take a page from the Waffen-SS and liquidate entire towns to solve the problem.

That assumes that the military offensive waged by the US uses somehow different methods then other militaries, which it might be, even though attacks like the one on Fallujah suggest that the difference is not as big as we would like it to be. Also, it evokes a tired and overworn comparison with the Nazis which is just an easy way to stigmatize the enemy (missing the true nature of the enemy) and to justify a war that is not just.

At what point were the Nazis and WWII put into a hermetically sealed compartment, bearing no relevance on anything today?

The nazis were a economic and military super-power. Iran et al are simply not that.

[ual777 0]

resonse to usmc

"if i vote democrat they will impliment social programs,cut military spending and cause my taxes to be higher"

you do realize that what you said is....

if i vote democrat they will try to take care of people here at home not spend money attacking independent nations and provide us with a finantually responsible budget.

just asking

No. You see, I loathe social programs. They are a budget disaster. They account for FAR more money in the budget than the military does. In order to expand them, they must raise taxes and that means taking my money away to help uneducated people become helpless.

Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, Section 8, etc. do NOTHING except condition lower class people into 'needing' some sort of handout from the government. It is one of the worst ideas EVER.

To add insult to injury, it raises MY taxes to pay for it.

In 2004 the U.S. spent 453 Billion on national defense.

They also spent 213 Billion on health care services, 270 Billion on medicare, and 250 Billion on income security(i.e. welfare). In addition $55 billion is spent on smaller social programs.

That is a total of $788 BILLION on social programs for 2004.

The total budget was 2.4 trillion thus making a full 33% of all spending going towards social programs, while 18% went to the ENTIRE department of defense.

Encourage people to work, and it will get better.

You forget that many people who collect medicare and social security have paid money into the system for decades, thus the government is just returning money to them. If this is paid out of income taxes then only because it squandered the money these people paid throughout their lifetime.

The military budget is financed exclusively out of income taxes and I'm sure once you total that out the percentages will look different. But, I agree it's not fair because in the same way you oppose having your tax money go towards welfare, I hate to see my taxes go towards defense. There should be a system which allows you to determine to which part of government your taxes go.

Those figures don't include social security. Its just welfare my friend.

[rasmussen 0]

This is a religious war-that is why it is so complicated and drawn out. America is a country built on Christian beliefs and formed on religious, economic and social freedoms. You are welcome to worship as you wish in our country and nothing is keeping you back other than your own two feet. We are blessed and fortunate to live in a country based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and at the same time peaceful and tolerant to allow its citizens to worship as they wish, Christian or not. Jews, Hindus, Muslims have not lived in a place more peaceful and accepting as the US in the history of the world. Satan and his worriors are not so happy with this acceptance and are trying to shake our foundation. We will not loose.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They also spent 213 Billion on health care services, 270 Billion on medicare, and 250 Billion on income security(i.e. welfare). In addition $55 billion is spent on smaller social programs.

That is a total of $788 BILLION on social programs for 2004.

You forget that many people who collect medicare and social security have paid money into the system for decades, thus the government is just returning money to them.

Those figures don't include social security. Its just welfare my friend.

Really? And I thought the healthcare for those on welfare, with jobs that don't pay a living wage and don't provide health benefits, etc. is called Medicaid rather than Medicare. Medicare, last I heard, was the health insurance scheme for retirees. That's a third of what you sell as welfare cost up there. Don't go fudging the numbers to make your case.

Retirees that receive Medicare beenfits had a portion of their pay withheld throughout their work life to have that paid for when they get old. I have those withholdings today as well and there better not be some right wing nuts robbing me of what I contributed to the system...

This is a religious war-that is why it is so complicated and drawn out. America is a country built on Christian beliefs and formed on religious, economic and social freedoms. You are welcome to worship as you wish in our country and nothing is keeping you back other than your own two feet. We are blessed and fortunate to live in a country based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and at the same time peaceful and tolerant to allow its citizens to worship as they wish, Christian or not. Jews, Hindus, Muslims have not lived in a place more peaceful and accepting as the US in the history of the world. Satan and his worriors are not so happy with this acceptance and are trying to shake our foundation. We will not loose.

Pass me some of what you're smoking, dude. That ####### must really rock!

Edited September 4, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Fischkoepfin 1]

resonse to usmc

"if i vote democrat they will impliment social programs,cut military spending and cause my taxes to be higher"

you do realize that what you said is....

if i vote democrat they will try to take care of people here at home not spend money attacking independent nations and provide us with a finantually responsible budget.

just asking

No. You see, I loathe social programs. They are a budget disaster. They account for FAR more money in the budget than the military does. In order to expand them, they must raise taxes and that means taking my money away to help uneducated people become helpless.

Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, Section 8, etc. do NOTHING except condition lower class people into 'needing' some sort of handout from the government. It is one of the worst ideas EVER.

To add insult to injury, it raises MY taxes to pay for it.

In 2004 the U.S. spent 453 Billion on national defense.

They also spent 213 Billion on health care services, 270 Billion on medicare, and 250 Billion on income security(i.e. welfare). In addition $55 billion is spent on smaller social programs.

That is a total of $788 BILLION on social programs for 2004.

The total budget was 2.4 trillion thus making a full 33% of all spending going towards social programs, while 18% went to the ENTIRE department of defense.

Encourage people to work, and it will get better.

You forget that many people who collect medicare and social security have paid money into the system for decades, thus the government is just returning money to them. If this is paid out of income taxes then only because it squandered the money these people paid throughout their lifetime.

The military budget is financed exclusively out of income taxes and I'm sure once you total that out the percentages will look different. But, I agree it's not fair because in the same way you oppose having your tax money go towards welfare, I hate to see my taxes go towards defense. There should be a system which allows you to determine to which part of government your taxes go.

Those figures don't include social security. Its just welfare my friend.

Would you mind providing a source?

I've checked the budget for 2006 and the taxes collected for medicare and social security are actually higher than the $788 Billion spend on social programs (by about 100 billion). Income taxes only make up 44% of the entire budget, meaning that most of these things are paid for through other taxes. To assume that the taxes you pay are used to primarily provide social services assumes that the budget is only drawn from income taxes.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the defense budget does not include current military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (financed through extraordinary appropriation bills), R&D, Veterans' affairs, and a so-called "black budget." Taken together, the military budget is much higher than the 447 Billion you cite.

This is a religious war-that is why it is so complicated and drawn out. America is a country built on Christian beliefs and formed on religious, economic and social freedoms. You are welcome to worship as you wish in our country and nothing is keeping you back other than your own two feet. We are blessed and fortunate to live in a country based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and at the same time peaceful and tolerant to allow its citizens to worship as they wish, Christian or not. Jews, Hindus, Muslims have not lived in a place more peaceful and accepting as the US in the history of the world. Satan and his worriors are not so happy with this acceptance and are trying to shake our foundation. We will not loose.

I hate to break it to you, but America is not a Christian country nor was it founded as a Christian country or buillt on Christian beliefs. America is a country spawned by enlightenment thought. Its founder were deists, meaning that they believed in a monotheistic God but not necessarily the Christian God.

What you're suggesting is - holy war - is a medieval idea that would have America's founders turn in their graves.

Edited September 4, 2006 by Fischkoepfin

[rasmussen 0]

resonse to usmc

"if i vote democrat they will impliment social programs,cut military spending and cause my taxes to be higher"

you do realize that what you said is....

if i vote democrat they will try to take care of people here at home not spend money attacking independent nations and provide us with a finantually responsible budget.

just asking

No. You see, I loathe social programs. They are a budget disaster. They account for FAR more money in the budget than the military does. In order to expand them, they must raise taxes and that means taking my money away to help uneducated people become helpless.

Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, WIC, Section 8, etc. do NOTHING except condition lower class people into 'needing' some sort of handout from the government. It is one of the worst ideas EVER.

To add insult to injury, it raises MY taxes to pay for it.

In 2004 the U.S. spent 453 Billion on national defense.

They also spent 213 Billion on health care services, 270 Billion on medicare, and 250 Billion on income security(i.e. welfare). In addition $55 billion is spent on smaller social programs.

That is a total of $788 BILLION on social programs for 2004.

The total budget was 2.4 trillion thus making a full 33% of all spending going towards social programs, while 18% went to the ENTIRE department of defense.

Encourage people to work, and it will get better.

You forget that many people who collect medicare and social security have paid money into the system for decades, thus the government is just returning money to them. If this is paid out of income taxes then only because it squandered the money these people paid throughout their lifetime.

The military budget is financed exclusively out of income taxes and I'm sure once you total that out the percentages will look different. But, I agree it's not fair because in the same way you oppose having your tax money go towards welfare, I hate to see my taxes go towards defense. There should be a system which allows you to determine to which part of government your taxes go.

Those figures don't include social security. Its just welfare my friend.

Would you mind providing a source?

I've checked the budget for 2006 and the taxes collected for medicare and social security are actually higher than the $788 Billion spend on social programs (by about 100 billion). Income taxes only make up 44% of the entire budget, meaning that most of these things are paid for through other taxes. To assume that the taxes you pay are used to primarily provide social services assumes that the budget is only drawn from income taxes.

Edit: I forgot to mention that the defense budget does not include current military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (financed through extraordinary appropriation bills), R&D, Veterans' affairs, and a so-called "black budget." Taken together, the military budget is much higher than the 447 Billion you cite.

This is a religious war-that is why it is so complicated and drawn out. America is a country built on Christian beliefs and formed on religious, economic and social freedoms. You are welcome to worship as you wish in our country and nothing is keeping you back other than your own two feet. We are blessed and fortunate to live in a country based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and at the same time peaceful and tolerant to allow its citizens to worship as they wish, Christian or not. Jews, Hindus, Muslims have not lived in a place more peaceful and accepting as the US in the history of the world. Satan and his worriors are not so happy with this acceptance and are trying to shake our foundation. We will not loose.

I hate to break it to you, but America is not a Christian country nor was it founded as a Christian country or buillt on Christian beliefs. America is a country spawned by enlightenment thought. Its founder were deists, meaning that they believed in a monotheistic God but not necessarily the Christian God.

What you're suggesting is - holy war - is a medieval idea that would have America's founders turn in their graves.

That is the funniest thing I have heard all day!!!!!!

HISTORY

Immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation.

Patrick Henry, who is called the firebrand of the American Revolution, is still remembered for his words, "Give me liberty or give me death"; but in current textbooks, the context of these words is omitted.

Here is what he actually said:"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

These sentences have been erased from our textbooks. Was Patrick Henry a Christian? The following year, 1776, he wrote this:"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here."

Consider these words that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the front of his well-worn Bible: "I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator."

He was also the chairman of the American Bible Society, which he considered his highest and most important role.

On July 4, 1821, President Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: "It connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

Calvin Coolidge, our 30th President of the United States reaffirmed this truth when he wrote, "The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country."

In 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: " The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."

William Holmes McGuffey is the author of the McGuffey Reader, which was used for over 100 years in our public schools, with over 125 million copies sold, until it was stopped in 1963.

President Lincoln called him the "Schoolmaster of the Nation." Listen to these words of Mr. McGuffey:"The Christian religion is the religion of our country. From it are derived our nation, on the character of God, on the great moral Governor of the universe. On its doctrines are founded the peculiarities of our free Institutions. From no source has the author drawn more conspicuously than from the sacred Scriptures. For all these extracts from the Bible, I make no apology."

Of the first 108 universities founded in America, 106 were distinctly Christian, including the first, Harvard University, chartered in 1636. In the original Harvard Student Handbook, rule number 1 was that students seeking entrance must know Latin and Greek so that they could study the Scriptures: "Let every student be plainly instructed and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies, is, to know God and Jesus Christ, which is eternal life,! John 17:3; and therefore to lay Jesus Christ as the only foundation for our children to follow the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution of the United States, said this:"We have staked the whole future of all our political constitutions upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the Ten Commandments."

Most of what you read in this article has been erased from our textbooks. Revisionists have rewritten history to remove the truth about our country's Christian roots. You are encouraged to share this with others, so that the truth of our nation's history will be told.To find out more,look up government and the T.E.A.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

HISTORY

Sources?

[rasmussen 0]

HISTORY

Sources?

Feel free to ask any historian, but if you don't know any go to http://www.foundingfathers.info/