G-325a annoyance - or is it?

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So my Fiancee (beneficiary) has, on two occasions now, filled out G-325a's for the K-1 visa and mailed them to me, so as to have her required original-ink signatures on them. Well, there's always a lag time from when I talk to her to explain needed alterations, during which there are issues for her with printing the forms, then delays from international mailing, and then there's my own S**t-happens lag that keeps me from getting back into the paperwork...So anyway, the most recently-arrived edition of her 325a immediately preceded her move to a new part of her country - so now her address has changed, thus it doesn't match that on the revised I-129f I've done up. That's the only change now needed in the form, assuming I can just manage to get the whole package wrapped up before some other crisis intervenes. Options:

1) I'm thinking I could 'paper over' the addresses that she so carefully hand-wrote, with a note directing the reviewer to an addendum on the next page that would list all addresses with the most current appearing at top, as it's supposed to appear - seems consistent with recommendations for other addenda, though I have to cover or at least strike through the old info to do this right)

2) I could manually fill out a pre-signed blank she also sent me, but my handwriting is sloppy and looks nothing like hers and I wonder if it's likely to inspire some junior-detective-type questions about the difference between "her" handwritten entries as seen there vs. in other documents.

3) I could ask her for yet another revision...which will again reset our clock on this, as well as make her want to choke me...

Advice?

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So my Fiancee (beneficiary) has, on two occasions now, filled out G-325a's for the K-1 visa and mailed them to me, so as to have her required original-ink signatures on them. Well, there's always a lag time from when I talk to her to explain needed alterations, during which there are issues for her with printing the forms, then delays from international mailing, and then there's my own S**t-happens lag that keeps me from getting back into the paperwork...So anyway, the most recently-arrived edition of her 325a immediately preceded her move to a new part of her country - so now her address has changed, thus it doesn't match that on the revised I-129f I've done up. That's the only change now needed in the form, assuming I can just manage to get the whole package wrapped up before some other crisis intervenes. Options:

1) I'm thinking I could 'paper over' the addresses that she so carefully hand-wrote, with a note directing the reviewer to an addendum on the next page that would list all addresses with the most current appearing at top, as it's supposed to appear - seems consistent with recommendations for other addenda, though I have to cover or at least strike through the old info to do this right)

2) I could manually fill out a pre-signed blank she also sent me, but my handwriting is sloppy and looks nothing like hers and I wonder if it's likely to inspire some junior-detective-type questions about the difference between "her" handwritten entries as seen there vs. in other documents.

3) I could ask her for yet another revision...which will again reset our clock on this, as well as make her want to choke me...

Advice?

My advice is to edit the PDF file so it is correct, print it and then type in the box for signature, "Will sign at Consulate". Really. This will be fine.

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My advice is to edit the PDF file so it is correct, print it and then type in the box for signature, "Will sign at Consulate". Really. This will be fine.

Thanks. That sounds too much like practical, common sense to possibly work, no? Is there precedent for that? Previous advice from VJ was to get original-ink signatures, thus our laborious process so far.

In paperwork to come, are there other situations in which a "we'll give you an original signature later" response is not going to throw a wrench in the works? Fiancee and I are very well connected by email, but of course that doesn't support original-ink.

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Thanks. That sounds too much like practical, common sense to possibly work, no? Is there precedent for that? Previous advice from VJ was to get original-ink signatures, thus our laborious process so far.

In paperwork to come, are there other situations in which a "we'll give you an original signature later" response is not going to throw a wrench in the works? Fiancee and I are very well connected by email, but of course that doesn't support original-ink.

This only works for a foreigner's G325a, when the foreigner is NOT in the USA or the Petitioner's signature on the G325a. No excuse for the petitioner not to sign though. It's the only exception to the need for actual signatures. Yes, there's an official USCIS memo to that effect. Here's the text from it. The one caveat, is that there's no guarantee all adjudicators are aware of this policy.

Interoffice Memorandum

To: SERVICE CENTER DIRECTORS

From: Michael Aytes /S/

Acting Associate Director for Operations

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services

Department of Homeland Security

Date: November 1, 2005

Re: Guidance for Processing Pending Form I-129F Petition for Alien Fiancé(e) when

G-325A for Petitioner and/or Beneficiary is not Signed and/or Photos not Submitted.

Purpose

To provide field offices with guidance on processing Form I-129F petitions when the accompanying G-325A is missing signatures and/or photographs.

A properly executed Form G-325A is required for all I-129F petitions. Previously it was standard practice to issue an RFE when the beneficiary failed to sign the G-325A and/or failed to submit photographs. From the date of this memorandum, an RFE should not be issued in instances where the beneficiary failed to sign the G-325A and/or failed to include photographs provided that the beneficiary is residing abroad. The beneficiary will be required to sign the Form G-325A and/or submit photographs at the time of visa issuance abroad. It is also not necessary to RFE for the petitioner’s signature on the G-325A, if the petitioner failed to sign it. The signature of the petitioner on the Form I-129F should be deemed sufficient for purposes of adjudicating the petition. Finally, it is important to note that the petitioner’s photograph is still required for the adjudication of the I-129F, so if it is missing, it must be requested prior to adjudication.

Questions regarding this memorandum may be directed through appropriate channels to Mica Pilz of Service Center Operations.

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GREAT info - thanks!

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So my Fiancee (beneficiary) has, on two occasions now, filled out G-325a's for the K-1 visa and mailed them to me, so as to have her required original-ink signatures on them. Well, there's always a lag time from when I talk to her to explain needed alterations, during which there are issues for her with printing the forms, then delays from international mailing, and then there's my own S**t-happens lag that keeps me from getting back into the paperwork...So anyway, the most recently-arrived edition of her 325a immediately preceded her move to a new part of her country - so now her address has changed, thus it doesn't match that on the revised I-129f I've done up. That's the only change now needed in the form, assuming I can just manage to get the whole package wrapped up before some other crisis intervenes. Options:

1) I'm thinking I could 'paper over' the addresses that she so carefully hand-wrote, with a note directing the reviewer to an addendum on the next page that would list all addresses with the most current appearing at top, as it's supposed to appear - seems consistent with recommendations for other addenda, though I have to cover or at least strike through the old info to do this right)

2) I could manually fill out a pre-signed blank she also sent me, but my handwriting is sloppy and looks nothing like hers and I wonder if it's likely to inspire some junior-detective-type questions about the difference between "her" handwritten entries as seen there vs. in other documents.

3) I could ask her for yet another revision...which will again reset our clock on this, as well as make her want to choke me...

Advice?

suggestions

1. You do not need her signatures. See below.

2. Corrections are acceptable if they are legible. Line out and change or use white out

3. Have her sign blank forms and you fill them in.

4. See below

______________________________________________________

Interoffice Memorandum

To: SERVICE CENTER DIRECTORS

From: Michael Aytes /S/

Acting Associate Director for Operations

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services

Department of Homeland Security

Date: November 1, 2005

Re: Guidance for Processing Pending Form I-129F Petition for Alien Fiancé(e) when

G-325A for Petitioner and/or Beneficiary is not Signed and/or Photos not Submitted.

Purpose

To provide field offices with guidance on processing Form I-129F petitions when the accompanying G-325A is missing signatures and/or photographs.

A properly executed Form G-325A is required for all I-129F petitions. Previously it was standard practice to issue an RFE when the beneficiary failed to sign the G-325A and/or failed to submit photographs. From the date of this memorandum, an RFE should not be issued in instances where the beneficiary failed to sign the G-325A and/or failed to include photographs provided that the beneficiary is residing abroad. The beneficiary will be required to sign the Form G-325A and/or submit photographs at the time of visa issuance abroad. It is also not necessary to RFE for the petitioner’s signature on the G-325A, if the petitioner failed to sign it. The signature of the petitioner on the Form I-129F should be deemed sufficient for purposes of adjudicating the petition. Finally, it is important to note that the petitioner’s photograph is still required for the adjudication of the I-129F, so if it is missing, it must be requested prior to adjudication.

Questions regarding this memorandum may be directed through appropriate channels to Mica Pilz of Service Center Operations.