Immigration Lotto Lunacy

[ready4ONE 5,400]

THis specific program not only should be dropped, we should go back... find out who sponsored the start of this and prosecute them.

It was just a retarded idea.

If we have so many jobs we can't fill them, bring in those qualified people.

Shhh he thinks there are no whites copping a free Visa on this program.

Danno logic, I said nor implied any such thing.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

THis specific program not only should be dropped, we should go back... find out who sponsored the start of this and prosecute them.

It was just a retarded idea.

If we have so many jobs we can't fill them, bring in those qualified people.

Shhh he thinks there are no whites copping a free Visa on this program.

No more retarded than the VWP were you let people in on the honor system that they will leave. They don't even verify that they aren't criminals or that they are educated. At least DV winners have both verified.

[Amby 490]

No more retarded than the VWP were you let people in on the honor system that they will leave. They don't even verify that they aren't criminals or that they are educated. At least DV winners have both verified.

Isn't there a security check thing you have to do now before coming in on the vwp? That thing where you go online and give info and pay.

[Zero Sum 305]

What a joke! The race card gets thrown out on the table once again.

Your assertions are rather lame considering that the vast majority of US immigration is non-white. But let's not let the facts get in the way of your prejudices.

To be fair, the majority of the world's population is not white. It would be obvious to assume that the majority of US immigrants, given all reasons for immigration taken together, would not be 'white.'

THis specific program not only should be dropped, we should go back... find out who sponsored the start of this and prosecute them.

It was just a retarded idea.

If we have so many jobs we can't fill them, bring in those qualified people.

Shhh he thinks there are no whites copping a free Visa on this program.

I think my post hereaddresses part of your response.

Isn't there a security check thing you have to do now before coming in on the vwp? That thing where you go online and give info and pay.

Yes. ESTA. $16 last I looked and approval took about 2 days, tops.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

2 day checks catch nothing. The "white" population of the US holds steady at about 80 % ( Hispanics are a subset of white and it used to be 75% white and 11 % Hispanic and is now 54% white and 25% hispanic. Blacks have only increased by 2% and Asians have doubled from 4 to 8%. So the US is still a nation of whites and even with the DV lottery working at balancing the picture it isn't even come close. Just because the system is full of fraud doesn't mean that is should be stopped. If that logic holds up for government programs then welfare would be on the chopping block also. And throwing out the "terrorist country" card is as lame as it gets. The 9-11 group came on other visa types maybe they should really close those types if they want stem terrorism

[Amby 490]

2 day checks catch nothing. The "white" population of the US holds steady at about 80 % ( Hispanics are a subset of white and it used to be 75% white and 11 % Hispanic and is now 54% white and 25% hispanic. Blacks have only increased by 2% and Asians have doubled from 4 to 8%. So the US is still a nation of whites and even with the DV lottery working at balancing the picture it isn't even come close. Just because the system is full of fraud doesn't mean that is should be stopped. If that logic holds up for government programs then welfare would be on the chopping block also. And throwing out the "terrorist country" card is as lame really close those types if they want stem terrorism

2 day check is still a check. You said no check.

[^_^ 5,021]

2 day checks catch nothing. The "white" population of the US holds steady at about 80 % ( Hispanics are a subset of white and it used to be 75% white and 11 % Hispanic and is now 54% white and 25% hispanic. Blacks have only increased by 2% and Asians have doubled from 4 to 8%. So the US is still a nation of whites and even with the DV lottery working at balancing the picture it isn't even come close. Just because the system is full of fraud doesn't mean that is should be stopped. If that logic holds up for government programs then welfare would be on the chopping block also. And throwing out the "terrorist country" card is as lame as it gets. The 9-11 group came on other visa types maybe they should really close those types if they want stem terrorism

DV was never going to change the racial composition of the country in any significant way. The program is simply not large enough. Yes, it has had some regional impact - for example, the significant Bangladeshi population in the Queens is primary thanks to the DV program. But overall the effect is minor.

Frankly, I there there is merit to the position that since we've had two decades of higher-than-historical-average immigration levels, it's not a bad idea to let the new spices simmer for a while before we open up the pot again.

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[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

DV was never going to change the racial composition of the country in any significant way. The program is simply not large enough. Yes, it has had some regional impact - for example, the significant Bangladeshi population in the Queens is primary thanks to the DV program. But overall the effect is minor.

Frankly, I there there is merit to the position that since we've had two decades of higher-than-historical-average immigration levels, it's not a bad idea to let the new spices simmer for a while before we open up the pot again.

If you take DV away from under represented countries how do those people have a decent immigration path to the US ? Are you going to purpose opening up more visitors visas so they can have an equal chance to spouse shop ?

[^_^ 5,021]

If you take DV away from under represented countries how do those people have a decent immigration path to the US ?

There is no right to have a "decent immigration path" to the U.S. This country is under no obligation to provide one. American immigration policy ought to be determined by one thing and one thing alone - what's best for the U.S.

[peejay 327]

There is no right to have a "decent immigration path" to the U.S. This country is under no obligation to provide one. American immigration policy ought to be determined by one thing and one thing alone - what's best for the U.S.

We usually don't agree on much, but believe it or not, that has always been my position on immigration policy. What is in the best interests of the vast majority of the American people and to maintain a cohesive society. Too many people on VJ look at immigration as some sort of charity event to save the world and improve the lives of immigrants or as some sort of social experiment to reinvent America. American immigration policy should be a mutually beneficial endeavor and not a burden on society or a divisive policy that polarizes society.

Immigration for immigration's sake is not a good policy. There is no right to immigrate nor is any country obligated to allow immigration.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

It has always been immigrants that provide fresh enthusiasm to the American system. The reason why we let in these people is that they are good for America. They are educated and provide the US with a co mingling of concepts that are key to what we once were. Because these people are prohibited from jumping on the welfare wagon they are also productive members of the society.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes. ESTA. $16 last I looked and approval took about 2 days, tops.

I just did the ESTAs for my parents who are coming over next week. Fee is $14.00 and the approval is instant.

[^_^ 5,021]

...to maintain a cohesive society.

I agree with that too, although I suspect we may differ on what is or isn't a 'cohesive society'

[Boiler 46,086]

ESTA approval is not always instant, and if you have issues you can not use the VWP, you would have to apply for a B.

Totally agree, there may be a long time awaiting for Immigration reform but getting rid of the DV would be a good first step.

Most VWP nationals are eligible for the DV.

Edited March 4, 2011 by Boiler

[rika60607 215]

Looks like according to you it would be even better to cancel asylum/refugees immigration.

Those are the people who bring even less with them to the US than lottery winners.

American immigration policy should be a mutually beneficial endeavor and not a burden on society or a divisive policy that polarizes society.

Immigration for immigration's sake is not a good policy. There is no right to immigrate nor is any country obligated to allow immigration.