Americans Support Racial Profiling

[PlatyPius 5]

When, of course, the reason there is still racism toward them is BECAUSE of that attitude. Vicious circle and all that.....

[type2negative 0]

Welfare, section 8, etc. etc. have helped to DESTROY the black community and make them helpless.

Indeed. Welfare is a terrible idea - the essence of getting something for nothing.

It robs people of the ability to explore their talents and doesn't do nearly enough to

help them get off of it.

Affirmative action should also be eliminated and replaced with a system based on

economic need rather than race or colour.

[Scott & Lai 12]

When, of course, the reason there is still racism toward them is BECAUSE of that attitude. Vicious circle and all that.....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Minneapolis is considered by most locals to be "nothing like the racist South" but yet we have one of the highest high school graduation rates in the country BUT one of the lowest Black graduation rates in the country at the same time. Institutionalized racism is still there, but it's just less apparent.

So, the institution (in this case the school) is responsible for black kids not going to school and not being driven to achievement? And I thought that the disproportionate share of single parent households and dysfunctional homes within the African American community had something to do with it. Silly me. Well, thanks for clearing that up.

[Jenn! 918]

So, the institution (in this case the school) is responsible for black kids not going to school and not being driven to achievement? And I thought that the disproportionate share of single parent households and dysfunctional homes within the African American community had something to do with it.

And what would you say are the reasons behind that?

[Alex+R 0]

Minneapolis is considered by most locals to be "nothing like the racist South" but yet we have one of the highest high school graduation rates in the country BUT one of the lowest Black graduation rates in the country at the same time. Institutionalized racism is still there, but it's just less apparent.

So, the institution (in this case the school) is responsible for black kids not going to school and not being driven to achievement? And I thought that the disproportionate share of single parent households and dysfunctional homes within the African American community had something to do with it. Silly me. Well, thanks for clearing that up.

NO! The guys who run the North Mpls public schools, and the principal at Mpls North, are really dedicated educators who have done some innovative things. Especially at the elementary school level. And that has helped. (One thing was making an all-black elementary school, which, while controversial, really raised test scores and kept its graduates in school longer.)

BUT Parents with no education, children who don't value education, who become parents with no education, etc. etc. etc. is a cycle that perpetuates itself (ok, as all cycles do). Hence we have these measures like AA to stop having whole ethnic groups disproportionately impoverished.

How do we bust a perceived defeatist attitude in the black community? You're right, it's got to come from the black community. But busting those cycles, something greater society can have a part in, would be a step in the right direction, IMO.

It would be nice if someone actually black commented on this thread, btw.

[mawilson 2,133]

Whats wrong with this?

All terrorist so far are muslims

Richard Reed and Tim McVeigh were muslims?

Richard Reid was. Tim McVeigh wasn't.

[type2negative 0]

WHITE GUILT is it contagious???.. Well i better have an immunity

[mawilson 2,133]

Sure, individuals are not as openly racist as they used to be, but if you look at our society, you can still see segregation.

Like it or not, segregation is natural. Why do you think we have black neighborhoods,

Italian neighborhoods, Irish neighborhoods, Polish neighborhoods, Chinatowns, etc?

People tend to stick with their own kind.

[Fandango 1,439]

Sure, individuals are not as openly racist as they used to be, but if you look at our society, you can still see segregation.

Especially at the elementary school level. And that has helped. (One thing was making an all-black elementary school, which, while controversial, really raised test scores and kept its graduates in school longer.)

Yep, I sure can

[Alex+R 0]

Sure, individuals are not as openly racist as they used to be, but if you look at our society, you can still see segregation.

Especially at the elementary school level. And that has helped. (One thing was making an all-black elementary school, which, while controversial, really raised test scores and kept its graduates in school longer.)

Yep, I sure can

Lisa, are you trying to argue that segregation is a good thing in general? That's dangerous turf you're treading on there.

Sure, individuals are not as openly racist as they used to be, but if you look at our society, you can still see segregation.

Like it or not, segregation is natural. Why do you think we have black neighborhoods,

Italian neighborhoods, Irish neighborhoods, Polish neighborhoods, Chinatowns, etc?

People tend to stick with their own kind.

Why is it natural here, but not in Brazil? I don't get it. Separation by economic status is more natural. Separation by race is not so much, unless you are a different culture entering the U.S. and need to stick together. That's why there were Polish, Irish and Italian neighborhoods for immigrants, but as their children were born and assimilated, those neighborhoods ceased to exist as monocultural enclaves.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So, the institution (in this case the school) is responsible for black kids not going to school and not being driven to achievement? And I thought that the disproportionate share of single parent households and dysfunctional homes within the African American community had something to do with it.

And what would you say are the reasons behind that?

Enlighten me. I'm sure it's a white conspiracy of some sort that keeps the black dads away from their kids and their kids' mothers. Or the conspiracy where white people manufacture and sell pants to black folks where the zippers don't stay closed? Something like that? Let's have it.

Like it or not, segregation is natural. Why do you think we have black neighborhoods,Italian neighborhoods, Irish neighborhoods, Polish neighborhoods, Chinatowns, etc?

People tend to stick with their own kind.

Why is it natural here, but not in Brazil? I don't get it. Separation by economic status is more natural. Separation by race is not so much, unless you are a different culture entering the U.S. and need to stick together. That's why there were Polish, Irish and Italian neighborhoods for immigrants, but as their children were born and assimilated, those neighborhoods ceased to exist as monocultural enclaves.

Racial segregation and people's desire to stay among their own is quite a natural thing most everywhere. I know that people in Ethiopia are just as perplexed seeing Nani with a white husband as people in Germany are seeing me with a black wife. That ain't no American phenomenon.

[gimygirl 0]

racism & discrimination is just one of many meme's that have been propagated within our culture. check out this video to get a simple grasp on this diverse subject!!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

racism & discrimination is just one of many meme's that have been propagated within our culture. check out this video to get a simple grasp on this diverse subject!!

I've seen that one. It's quite interesting. Not sure how that can be projected onto one race and not others, though. I mean, there are plenty of minorities who are doing quite well in the US. Incidentally, those minorities have strong families at the core of their communities.

Edited September 2, 2006 by ET-US2004

[Fandango 1,439]

Sure, individuals are not as openly racist as they used to be, but if you look at our society, you can still see segregation.

Especially at the elementary school level. And that has helped. (One thing was making an all-black elementary school, which, while controversial, really raised test scores and kept its graduates in school longer.)

Yep, I sure can

Lisa, are you trying to argue that segregation is a good thing in general? That's dangerous turf you're treading on there.

Of course I'm not! I'm shocked you could come to this conclusion based on what I said. It just struck me as funny (not ha ha) that in one breath you're saying 'oh racism is done in secret now...you can still see segregation' (I inferred that to mean whites segregating themselves from blacks...and then in the very next post, you speak of positive results when blacks segregated themselves. Segregation is wrong & there is no way on this earth I could ever talk about it with any positive results.

It makes absolutely zero sense to me because I don't feel you're consistant. If there were an all-white school....would you be angry? Would you cry 'racism!' ? Or would you say 'well studies did prove how the students performed better'

But you can't sit here and extoll the virtues of Affirmative Action and why we need it, claim there's no 'reverse racism' (which I'll agree just on the term but there is deffo anti-white racism alive and well which I think you yourself provided and example of, ty), then make that statement about segregation above...then say how an all black school worked out for the benefit of the students.