Preparing for the next collapse

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

If opsec is in practice then no need to get into a fire fight. If it is you against the world you need to get lucky every time .They only need to get lucky once. As far as having food stored away it makes sense. Perhaps nothing major will happen. You or someone in your family could lose employment. How nice it would be to have months of supplies to get you through a difficult time frame. My brother helps out at a local food bank. He has talked to many people who hit it in just after a few weeks of being layed off from work. $40,000 autos and the 5 year old has her own cellphone. No food in the house. As far as long term problems on a national scale.....1/3 of the population is on some form of meds. Every one who gets a check from the government will be screwed. Most only live from week to week. They will head to the fema camps. (superdome any one)

What percentage of the population is very overweight. (death from hunger ect.. before they reach a safe place.

The ones that reach this safe place what then....You camp out on someone elses property. Society in the usa has NO skills to survive a 1800's lifestyle. Victor Hanson was quoted in the WSJ weekend edition as saying "Our society is full of ignorant urbanites who don't know how to make what they use. "Those who ,in extremis,are able to produce their own food and shelter are far more autonomous,are far more able to react to adversity.Every thing your grand parents knew has been replaced by modern society. IE... cellphone twitter and computers.

screw computers....I'll just miss cheezits.

[natty bumppo 297]

screw computers....I'll just miss cheezits.

consider making your own ...

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

consider making your own ...

sad thing is you probably need to be a chemistry major to make them exactly.

[natty bumppo 297]

sad thing is you probably need to be a chemistry major to make them exactly.

maybe if you grew a field of hemp .... whatever cheezit type you made would turn out perfectly.

[mawilson 2,133]

Well, I could live in a (peaceful) small community of hunters and gatherers for the rest of my life if I had no other choice. But if every week we are waging wars and being invaded by other small communities , and we are losing men and women in battle over our baked bean supply then yes, I would rather just die.

That's how people used to live in the old days. And in some war-torn African countries, they still do.

[mawilson 2,133]

sad thing is you probably need to be a chemistry major to make them exactly.

I thought all you needed was a giant cheese cylinder?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I thought all you needed was a giant cheese cylinder?

Here is the list:

ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID), SOYBEAN AND PALM OIL WITH TBHQ FOR FRESHNESS, SKIM MILK CHEESE (SKIM MILK, WHEY PROTEIN, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO EXTRACT FOR COLOR), WHITE CHEDDAR CHEESE (MILK, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES), SALT, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF PAPRIKA, NATURAL FLAVOR, YEAST, PAPRIKA OLEORESIN, ONION, RED PEPPER, YELLOW #5, CELERY SEED, ANNATTO COLOR, YELLOW #6, SOY LECITHIN.

Its not as bad as i thought!

[natty bumppo 297]

what is the half-life ... um shelf life ...

ugh ... how long until you've gotta make another batch...

[mawilson 2,133]

Here is the list:

ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID), SOYBEAN AND PALM OIL WITH TBHQ FOR FRESHNESS, SKIM MILK CHEESE (SKIM MILK, WHEY PROTEIN, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO EXTRACT FOR COLOR), WHITE CHEDDAR CHEESE (MILK, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES), SALT, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF PAPRIKA, NATURAL FLAVOR, YEAST, PAPRIKA OLEORESIN, ONION, RED PEPPER, YELLOW #5, CELERY SEED, ANNATTO COLOR, YELLOW #6, SOY LECITHIN.

Its not as bad as i thought!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQsObzDsYd8

[Zero Sum 305]

sad thing is you probably need to be a chemistry major to make them exactly.

WIN for me then.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Ok its shelf life is 240 days and the safety guide says 450 days...

I think this can go in my earthquake kit

Edited April 11, 2011 by Sousuke

[Danno 1,228]

Those who believe that the US is heading towards a lawless society due to some catastrophic societal collapse are not the kind of people who believe in little things like obligation so why on earth would you speculate on it? Either you think that everyone is out to get you and the only way to survive is to squash those around you or you don't.

I'm just wondering MC.... how do you know this or what do you base that on, do you know people who fit your description?

[Amby 490]

slim - I can skin a deer and butcher it

Here is the list:

ENRICHED FLOUR (WHEAT FLOUR, NIACIN, REDUCED IRON, THIAMIN MONONITRATE [VITAMIN B1], RIBOFLAVIN [VITAMIN B2], FOLIC ACID), SOYBEAN AND PALM OIL WITH TBHQ FOR FRESHNESS, SKIM MILK CHEESE (SKIM MILK, WHEY PROTEIN, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO EXTRACT FOR COLOR), WHITE CHEDDAR CHEESE (MILK, CHEESE CULTURES, SALT, ENZYMES), SALT, CONTAINS TWO PERCENT OR LESS OF PAPRIKA, NATURAL FLAVOR, YEAST, PAPRIKA OLEORESIN, ONION, RED PEPPER, YELLOW #5, CELERY SEED, ANNATTO COLOR, YELLOW #6, SOY LECITHIN.

Its not as bad as i thought!

making those cheese cracker things is easy

my grandpa was the most prepared (or paranoid) person I've ever met. he kept tons of canned goods, tons of water, those mre meals, dry firewood, etc.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

WIN for me then.

sounds like hal.

[slim 1,525]

You'd better hope that when the ###### hits the fan you're under 50 and healthy too, unless you're stocking up on medicines; taking a medical degree and have a young buck to do all the running for you

I'm 32 now and I'd say there's a pretty good chance it'll happen in the next 18 years.

What "obligation" do you think those who did prepare, have to share the goods with others who didn't?

This will probably be the hardest part of all of it. "Sorry, there isn't enough for you here. Please move on."

"Move on now."

"Move on or you'll be shot."

Bang.

Not so bad when it's a marauding band of zombies. Pretty tough when it's a group of malnourished school children.

It will be the Wild Wild West all over again so if us non-prepared people have bigger guns we will rob you for your 2 week supply of canned beans.

If you're "non-prepared" then how will you have a bigger gun?

Adding to the paranoia, I'd go with an island somewhere not in the direct path of bad storms and off the beaten path of major population centers. Large enough for a few families willing to help themselves out, including defense, yet small enough to have a sense of community.

That's the general concensus of being your best bet. Not sure how feasible it is since EVERYONE will be trying to do the same thing and many of those places are privately owned.

Well we are all fvcked if there is a collapse of the magnitude you speak of.

I really don't want to live in a world where I have to guard my 2-week supply of baked beans with an AK-47. Do you?

Not ALL of us!

I don't want to live in that world either, but it's not up to me. Or you. If you'd rather die than live that way I'm sure plenty of folks will oblige you. I have a feeling though you'll change your mind once you're faced with the choice. 99.9% of people do - and that's where that primitive behavior comes from.

If opsec is in practice

.....Every thing your grand parents knew has been replaced by modern society. IE... cellphone twitter and computers.

There's a lot of truth to your post. But, don't forget about Mr. Murphy!

slim - I can skin a deer and butcher it

my grandpa was the most prepared (or paranoid) person I've ever met. he kept tons of canned goods, tons of water, those mre meals, dry firewood, etc.

You just moved onto my "possibles" list!

Was your grandpa alive during the great depression? Did he happen to fight any of the wars?

Often, after folks have seen first-hand what happens they promise themselves it'll never happen to them and they take steps necessary to see that it doesn't.