UK dual citizenship

[Nero 17]

Once your fiance becomes a US citizen, she automatically uses her German citizenship unless she has applied for a Beibehaltungsgenehmigung from the German Government. Like many government things, this one's completely insane and consists of 2 parts:

1) Proving that the applicant would experience an actual and immediate hardship if not naturalizing, and, at the same time,

2) Proving that the strong ties to German would make it also a hardship to give up the German citizenship.

The whole thing is a game requiring to know how to play it. Most Germans have problems with part 1 but my guess is that your fiance would have problems with part 2. Basically applicants list all their family over there, their bank account, retirement account, the times they fly over and visit, and so on. If your fiance never lived in Germany, that's almost impossible to pull off. Thus, she would have to choose between becoming a US citizen or keeping her German citizenship as entry pass to the European Union.

On the same token, if you desire to become a Brazilian or German citizen, you would have to be petitioned by your then spouse and move there. After a certain amount of years as a lawful permanent resident and passing a language test which is much, much harder than the one in the US, you could apply for naturalization.

Wow that certainly sounds like a headache (and that's just trying to pronounce Beibehaltungsgenehmigung ) I spoke with my fiancee earlier today and she actually did live in Germany for the first few years of her childhood and her father still lives there... but her German is very limited. Well, it's probably just not going to work out that way. Personally I'm good with living anywhere as long as it's close to my lady (here, the UK, Germany, Brazil....Japan....the back of a van), sometimes it's not the backdrop it's the company you keep that counts . We decided to start the process to live in the United States for the usual reasons. I have a stable career and we thought the economic opportunity would be better for her here as well. In my area of Chicago there is actually a fairly large Brazilian community and job opportunities where being bilingual in Portuguese is an asset etc. Thanks for taking the time to answer my question Just Bob. My fiance will be disappointed, but I've never had problems with European mobility with my American passport.

[xxhwx 2]

this is from the state department's website regarding the loss of US citizenship

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html

After reading this, I guess the US is more lenient on dual/multiple citizenship than I imagined.

One can acquire a foreign citizenship without losing the US one as long as the individual's intention to retain the US citizenship is noted. But why not, that way uncle sam can keep his steady hands in your pocket no matter where you live in the world.

[NickD 203]

this is from the state department's website regarding the loss of US citizenship

http://travel.state....enship_778.html

After reading this, I guess the US is more lenient on dual/multiple citizenship than I imagined.

One can acquire a foreign citizenship without losing the US one as long as the individual's intention to retain the US citizenship is noted. But why not, that way uncle sam can keep his steady hands in your pocket no matter where you live in the world.

We pay taxes to the city, township, country, state, and the federal government, the first three are so we can have local control, local control over what? Feds tell the states, what they can do, states tell the counties, townships, and cities what they can do. With any reduction in taxes, claim we will lose services, what services? How is this for a service, I have to add up all my invoices, charge a state state and county sales tax on that according to their rules, fill out a long form, and send all that money to the state. Their service is returning that 0.5% back to the county where the sale took place, if they are doing that, county says they are broke. Income taxes go to the states that have the most powerful senator, so to make up for it, get hit extra hard on property taxes.

If the government was a private organization, would sue them for charging for services not received. That is considered fraud and deception and highly illegal, but not with the government. With federal income tax, 60% of Americans can't fill out their own forms, don't see any reason for that, only 1025 forms to know about and all have instructions written in Greek or some other foreign language.

With immigration, a very educated person comes here, says a oath to die for this country, but put in a very awkward position with that place of birth on their US passport. Also that person comes here with very secure finances, if they don't have that, they don't come here. But illegals sneak in and have a kid, lots of kids, and no money, but those kids are US citizens, and get all the welfare benefits plus Medicaid that the rest of us are paying for. Just doesn't seem fair, you work and study hard, and get screwed for doing that. Even getting robbed on my utility bills for people that can't pay them. Then we are forced to fight in wars where they claim these countries have socialism, like we don't even have more socialism right here at home!

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

Wow that certainly sounds like a headache (and that's just trying to pronounce Beibehaltungsgenehmigung ) I spoke with my fiancee earlier today and she actually did live in Germany for the first few years of her childhood and her father still lives there... but her German is very limited. Well, it's probably just not going to work out that way. Personally I'm good with living anywhere as long as it's close to my lady (here, the UK, Germany, Brazil....Japan....the back of a van), sometimes it's not the backdrop it's the company you keep that counts . We decided to start the process to live in the United States for the usual reasons. I have a stable career and we thought the economic opportunity would be better for her here as well. In my area of Chicago there is actually a fairly large Brazilian community and job opportunities where being bilingual in Portuguese is an asset etc. Thanks for taking the time to answer my question Just Bob. My fiance will be disappointed, but I've never had problems with European mobility with my American passport.

She definitely should try, even though her chances are not good, but I personally would take on the challenge to pull it off. I'm one of the guys pulling the strings at the Yahoo group ZweiPaesse that deals exclusively with this issue, and I'm ready to help when the time comes, which is years away. Post on ZweiPaesse in about 2-1/2 years and I'll help her (you) to the best of my ability to build this application with all of the dreamworks components I have at my disposal.