Police Clearance (Part 2)

[TheFantastics09 19]

Hey there!

So I already have my CPIC check and it came back that there is no criminal record attached to my name, but my lawyer insists that I go back and obtain the check with fingerprints as I got into trouble when I was much younger (about 14). I spoke to my local police service and they assured me that going for another police check isn't going to make a difference as there is no trace of it... anywhere.

My first question: Do I need to obtain a police check with fingerprints for the Packet 3 to be sent to Montreal, or is the one I have sufficient?

Second: If I do need to go ahead and get the fingerprint check, can I send the current police check in the packet 3 and when I go to the interview in Montreal, bring the police check with the fingerprints with me (I was told that it will take several months to receive a response back from the RCMP)?

Thank-You!

Edit: Oh! If no one here has any idea, can I email the Montreal consulate for an answer?

Edited February 23, 2011 by TheFantastics09

[Canadiandggal 49]

I am sorry to tell you this but Your lawyer is correct. You should go get the fingerprint one, I know you have no record. Neither did I but IF you Have ever been in trouble even as a Minor you need a Fingerprint one.

[Matt n Shannon 3]

Thats not true. Not everyone has gotten the finger prints done. That is only necessary if you have a criminal history. While more is always better it isn't necessary.

[Canadiandggal 49]

IF you ever had a criminal history, then you should get one done.

Edited February 23, 2011 by Canadiandggal

[Flames9_RN 358]

I dont think anyone on this thread stated that EVERYONE has to get Fingerprinted???

Better to get them done now then wait the RCMP can take awhile to get the finished product. At 1 time it was close to 4 months, but no clue now a days. I believe their used to be another company that did them, and they were much quicker, maybe have been the Commsionaires??? http://www.commissionaires.ca/

Guess it all boils down to what the offenses were, what you put down on the forms, as I recall one one or more of the forms it asks about your criminal history. Best of luck

[Matt n Shannon 3]

IF you have had a criminal history I suggest you get one. IF you have a clean criminal history the general check and letter will suffice.

[Canadiandggal 49]

Here is a question and I am not trying to pry but were you arrested? charged? sentenced?

I am asking because As I said I would get the fingerprint version however IF you were not then you should be ok with the regular one.

Not to scare you but if you did have a record, were charged, you may also need the records. That is not a fun time, I had a charge from the age 14 and had to go around in circles to get what they needed. (I received a RFE for the court records).

I hope it all works out for you

Edited February 23, 2011 by Canadiandggal

[TheFantastics09 19]

Here is a question and I am not trying to pry but were you arrested? charged? sentenced?

I am asking because As I said I would get the fingerprint version however IF you were not then you should be ok with the regular one.

Not to scare you but if you did have a record, were charged, you may also need the records. That is not a fun time, I had a charge from the age 14 and had to go around in circles to get what they needed. (I received a RFE for the court records).

I hope it all works out for you

Thank-you! These are the kind of answers I was looking for. Yes I was arrested/the whole nine yards. But it isn't showing up in the CPIC check (with just the name). The head officer at the records branch says all that info was destroyed. What do I do now? I have no problem getting the check with fingerprints, but if it isn't going to say anything, what do I tell them? How do I obtain records that should have been shredded? Expunged means just that-expunged. Non-existent.

The other question I had was can I put the check I already have in the packet 3 and bring the fingerprint check with me to the interview or, do I not send in Packet 3 until I have the fingerprint police check?

Thank-you for the info!

Edit: I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did you go about obtaining your old records?

Edited February 23, 2011 by TheFantastics09

[TheFantastics09 19]

Thank-you! These are the kind of answers I was looking for. Yes I was arrested/the whole nine yards. But it isn't showing up in the CPIC check (with just the name). The head officer at the records branch says all that info was destroyed. What do I do now? I have no problem getting the check with fingerprints, but if it isn't going to say anything, what do I tell them? How do I obtain records that should have been shredded? Expunged means just that-expunged. Non-existent.

The other question I had was can I put the check I already have in the packet 3 and bring the fingerprint check with me to the interview or, do I not send in Packet 3 until I have the fingerprint police check?

Thank-you for the info!

Edit: I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did you go about obtaining your old records?

P.S. I didn't go to "jail", does this/will this make a difference?

Edited February 23, 2011 by TheFantastics09

[Ontarkie 14,218]

You take the figure prints with you to the interview.

As for your records being destroyed they aren't really they are just locked away in a vault sorta speak somewhere in Toronto if its from Ontario. What you need to do is go to the court house the one you went to court at and try and remember the dates you had you're court date the best you can. The courts may try and look you up on the computers where they will not find you. You may have to really push to get them to look you up in the books manually, when they do find your info they will send away for you're court records. When you do this ask for several copies, you will need them for every step of your journey (AOS ROC to Citizenship)

[TheFantastics09 19]

You take the figure prints with you to the interview.

As for your records being destroyed they aren't really they are just locked away in a vault sorta speak somewhere in Toronto if its from Ontario. What you need to do is go to the court house the one you went to court at and try and remember the dates you had you're court date the best you can. The courts may try and look you up on the computers where they will not find you. You may have to really push to get them to look you up in the books manually, when they do find your info they will send away for you're court records. When you do this ask for several copies, you will need them for every step of your journey (AOS ROC to Citizenship)

Ok, so I don't need the police check to send in with the Packet 3. Thank-you! I will go to the courthouse first thing in the morning.

Man, I so wish I had access to the internet when we first started this paperwork :/.

Everyone here is very helpful

[Canadiandggal 49]

Thank-you! These are the kind of answers I was looking for. Yes I was arrested/the whole nine yards. But it isn't showing up in the CPIC check (with just the name). The head officer at the records branch says all that info was destroyed. What do I do now? I have no problem getting the check with fingerprints, but if it isn't going to say anything, what do I tell them? How do I obtain records that should have been shredded? Expunged means just that-expunged. Non-existent.

The other question I had was can I put the check I already have in the packet 3 and bring the fingerprint check with me to the interview or, do I not send in Packet 3 until I have the fingerprint police check?

Thank-you for the info!

Edit: I hope you don't mind me asking, but how did you go about obtaining your old records?

I was charged when I was a teenager (conditional discharge) and my files were expunged at 18. I called the local court house that I had been sentenced at and told them I was in need of court records from my juvi charges. I did not know my charge dates so I had to contact my old lawyer who looked them up for me. I had some trouble with the first lady I talked to at the court house but eventually she told me it would take 1-3 weeks to retrieve the files from Toronto (where all the old files go). About 2 weeks later she called to tell me that they could not find one of my records and instead she ended up writing me a court document stating my charge ,sentence etc. SO in the end I had one court record and one letter. I also got 6 copies of them

They may tell you your files are not obtainable to you because of the new Youth Justice act but just tell them they are your records and that you have Identification to pick them up. Also mention that the US does not consider expunges/discharges/sealed, they still see it as you had a record.

I hope you get them easily.

Edited February 23, 2011 by Canadiandggal

[TheFantastics09 19]

I was charged when I was a teenager (conditional discharge) and my files were expunged at 18. I called the local court house that I had been sentenced at and told them I was in need of court records from my juvi charges. I did not know my charge dates so I had to contact my old lawyer who looked them up for me. I had some trouble with the first lady I talked to at the court house but eventually she told me it would take 1-3 weeks to retrieve the files from Toronto (where all the old files go). About 2 weeks later she called to tell me that they could not find one of my records and instead she ended up writing me a court document stating my charge ,sentence etc. SO in the end I had one court record and one letter. I also got 6 copies of them

They may tell you your files are not obtainable to you because of the new Youth Justice act but just tell them they are your records and that you have Identification to pick them up. Also mention that the US does not consider expunges/discharges/sealed, they still see it as you had a record.

I hope you get them easily.

Me too! Thank-You!!

[Canadiandggal 49]

Me too! Thank-You!!

How did it go? Did you get to the court house yet?

[TheFantastics09 19]

How did it go? Did you get to the court house yet?

Hey .

Turns out I have a copy of the paperwork my Lawyer was asking for, so I just need to go to the courthouse to have them stamp their seal on it.

Thank-You! >.<