Study: Most high school biology teachers don’t endorse evolution

[Amby 490]

Must be a Protestant thing. I attended parochial (Catholic) school grades 5-9, and nary a word about creationism. The rest was in public schools. I took Biology in grade 10, had a crush on the biology teacher, and I don't remember much else. I took biology in college 12 years later, and things sure changed a lot since 1972, when we only had a basic understanding of cell structure.

I was in middle school in like 1998.

I went to Catholic school for awhile but I was kicked out for not obeying the nuns.

I did something similar in 2nd grade in protestant church school. I got in a LOT of trouble and it was downhill ever since. Managed to get suspended just about every year for asking the kind of questions the bible teacher could not answer. I was quite a smartass!! (Better than a dumb-####)

I had to stop about 5-6 weeks into it when my grandma noticed what I was doing

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I was in middle school in like 1998.

I went to Catholic school for awhile but I was kicked out for not obeying the nuns.

Nuns don't respect the #######.

[Amby 490]

Nuns don't respect the #######.

I got smacked with a ruler. At recess I went to the nurse and asked if I could call my mom because I forgot something. Instead I called the cops on the nun. I was in first grade.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I got smacked with a ruler. At recess I went to the nurse and asked if I could call my mom because I forgot something. Instead I called the cops on the nun. I was in first grade.

First grade? What could a first grader do to upset a nun?

Did the cops come? What happened to the nun?

[james&olya 1,121]

I got smacked with a ruler. At recess I went to the nurse and asked if I could call my mom because I forgot something. Instead I called the cops on the nun. I was in first grade.

Wish I had had the wisdom to do that! Of course it would have back-fired at home. That was before teachers were prohibited from administering the 'board' of education!

[Amby 490]

First grade? What could a first grader do to upset a nun?

Did the cops come? What happened to the nun?

My mom says I constantly asked questions just to make the lady mad. I never raised my hand when I asked questions. I'd just blurt stuff out. Id also make stuff up to scare the other kids. They put up with me for so long because my great grandparents were huge financial contributors.

Eta: not sure what happened to the nun. They moved me to another class. I had to go in and talk to the priest about why I lied to the nurse

Edited February 9, 2011 by Amby

[Danno 1,228]

It was ignorance and religious superstition that held back science in the past. Our relative freedom from the constraints of religious dogma enabled much of our past success. Now it appears that the opposite is occurring. Sad!

Do you seriously believe that or is that just your VJ shtick?

Who do you think built most all centers of education and learning around the world in the time period you refer to?

Christian, Judiam, Islam and other faiths... thats who.

List for me the first ten, twenty, thirty Colleges built in this country and see how many were constructed by Religious folks and how many by Atheists with a burning passion for knowledge.

While there is no question some areas of study were stifled by religion, on the whole, Education was one of the wonderful fruits of religion religion wherever it went.

Even today, check the scores in math and science and you will find Kids educated in Faith based schools and home schools out-score (by far) kids educated in public schools "free from the drag of religion" (not to mention twice the budget) and that outscoring includes Math and science.

Religion is not the enemy of science.... if anything it is the mid-wife.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Danno-logic strikes again! And your article does not fit it's title, but that is par for the course.

Religion delivered science? That is just plain nucking futs!

[Danno 1,228]

Danno-logic strikes again! And your article does not fit it's title, but that is par for the course.

Religion delivered science? That is just plain nucking futs!

Your comments are precious but a list of non religious Colleges which educated this early nation would have added substance.

[Danno 1,228]

For example, Thomas Jefferson-

Education

In 1752, Jefferson began attending a local school run by a local Scottish Presbyterian minister. At the age of nine, Jefferson began studying Latin, Greek, and French; he learned to ride, and began to appreciate the study of nature. In 1757, when he was 14 years old, his father died. Jefferson inherited about 5,000 acres (20 km²) of land and dozens of slaves. He built his home there, which eventually became known as Monticello. After his father's death, he was taught at the school of the learned minister James Maury from 1758 to 1760. The school was in Fredericksville Parish near Gordonsville, Virginia, twelve miles (19 km) from Shadwell, and Jefferson boarded with Maury's family. There he received a classical education and studied history and science.[14]

In 1760, at the age of 16, Jefferson entered the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg. For two years he studied mathematics, metaphysics, and philosophy under Professor William Small, who introduced the enthusiastic Jefferson to the writings of the British Empiricists, including John Locke, Francis Bacon, and Isaac Newton (Jefferson called them the "three greatest men the world had ever produced").[15] He also perfected his French, carried his Greek grammar book wherever he went, practiced the violin, and read Tacitus and Homer. A keen and diligent student, Jefferson displayed an avid curiosity in all fields and, according to the family tradition, frequently studied fifteen hours a day. His closest college friend, John Page of Rosewell, reported that Jefferson "could tear himself away from his dearest friends to fly to his studies." He lodged and boarded at the College in the building known today as the Sir Christopher Wren Building, attending communal meals in the Great Hall, and morning and evening prayers in the Wren Chapel. Jefferson often attended the lavish parties of royal governor Francis Fauquier, where he played his violin and developed an early love for wines.[16] After graduating in 1762 with highest honors, he read law with William & Mary law professor George Wythe and was admitted to the Virginia bar in 1767.[17]

[james&olya 1,121]

Do you seriously believe that or is that just your VJ shtick?

Who do you think built most all centers of education and learning around the world in the time period you refer to?

Christian, Judiam, Islam and other faiths... thats who.

List for me the first ten, twenty, thirty Colleges built in this country and see how many were constructed by Religious folks and how many by Atheists with a burning passion for knowledge.

While there is no question some areas of study were stifled by religion, on the whole, Education was one of the wonderful fruits of religion religion wherever it went.

Even today, check the scores in math and science and you will find Kids educated in Faith based schools and home schools out-score (by far) kids educated in public schools "free from the drag of religion" (not to mention twice the budget) and that outscoring includes Math and science.

Religion is not the enemy of science.... if anything it is the mid-wife.

BS!!! I went to those schools. Have you ever heard of 'selection bias'? Your comparisons of 'faith-based' and public schools are 'apples to oranges' comparisons. Not valid, not relevant! I was a national merit finalist which was a test that measured aptitude more than knowledge attained. In the religious college I attended I was far in front of my classmates. The single semester I attended Michigan State I worked hard to catch up with my peers in math, which was my strongest area by aptitude measurement!

As to who built those colleges, that had been the norm as society emerged from the 'dark ages'. The church controlled everything. There were no secular organizations to build and operate schools and governments were not yet doing so. Again, I say BS!!

[Amby 490]

Renaissance

[Peikko 1,575]

I guess you can revise anything to suit your agenda. Religious schools drove enlightenment, good one Danno

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I guess you can revise anything to suit your agenda. Religious schools drove enlightenment, good one Danno

Well, if it wasn't for literate Irish monks, the dark ages would have lasted much longer.

How the Irish Saved Civilization

[chri'stina 190]

People shouldn't assume that if someone is religious they can't excel at something like science. I grew up in Christian school, until college. I went to a community college then state university. So of course, I wasn't taught evolution in school except enough info to know what the differences are between creationism and evolution. I took the required amount of science classes in college my first two years, plus a couple extra biology classes because for a little while I considered majoring in biology. Whether someone learned evolution in high school doesn't mean they can't be very knowledgeable about everything we can see at the moment in biology. And when evolution questions were on test, I answered according to the theory of evolution. Me being a devote Christian teen/young adult would not have hampered my science goals. I ended up not majoring in bio because I got a little lazy. I always liked biology and also loved oceanography and probably should have stayed with one of them instead of what I picked. But I like what I picked too, though it was a very different area! (sociology)I like knowing how things work whether it's the human body or society and cultures.

Edited February 9, 2011 by chri'stina