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Boiler Grand Master

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for business, pleasure or transit for less than 90 days. Visa-free travel does not include those who plan to study, work or remain in the United States for more than 90 days

http://london.usembassy.gov/vwp3.html

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Harpa Timsah Grand Master

Harpa Timsah   13,258

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We are confusing two issues:

What are you allowed to do do (which does not include work, for anybody, paid anywhere)

What people do do. Obviously there are 10,000,000 who do work without authorisation plus I am sure many others go outside the remit of their visa's.

No, we are not confusing anything. Please take a look here:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#travelertype

where it clearly states that people may use VWP for short business trips.

You may use the VWP if:

"The purpose of their stay in the United States is 90 days or less for tourism or business (Visitor (B) visa) purpose of travel."

People coming for business will not only work for their foreign company, but also get paid their salary while they are here attending meetings etc.

Business purpose (which you quote) is work! I don't know how to make this any clearer. A Business visitor in the VWP is not working in the US, they are working while in the US.

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AOS for my husband
8/17/10: INTERVIEW DAY (day 123) APPROVED!!

ROC:
5/23/12: Sent out package
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Mathilda   19

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No, we are not confusing anything. Please take a look here:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#travelertype

where it clearly states that people may use VWP for short business trips.

You may use the VWP if:

"The purpose of their stay in the United States is 90 days or less for tourism or business (Visitor (B) visa) purpose of travel."

People coming for business will not only work for their foreign company, but also get paid their salary while they are here attending meetings etc.

Good point! But I did have my passport stamped for pleasure, which is still the main purpose of my trip. Furthermore, I am not going to get paid before 3 months have passed, thus pass my stay here.

AOS from Visa Waiver to Green Card (became out of status meanwhile)
Apr 26, 2011 - (Day -49) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Apr 28, 2011 - (Day -47) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
May 24, 2011 - (Day -21) Rejection date on forms I-797 (wrong address on form I-485)
May 30, 2011 - (Day -14) Form I-797, Notice of Action/Rejection in the mail
Jun 14, 2011 - (Day 0) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 16, 2011 - (Day 2) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 27, 2011 - (Day 13) Received receipt confirmation via email for all three forms
Jul 1, 2011 - (Day 17) NOA1 paper receipt for EAD in the mail
Jul 2, 2011 - (Day 18) NOA1 paper receipts for 1-485 and i-130 in the mail
Jul 6, 2011 - (Day 22) Biometrics notice in the mail
Jul 20, 2011 - (Day 36) Biometrics taken on day of appointment
Aug 1, 2011 - (Day 48) Contacted local senator to assure employment authorization arrives on time to accept job offer
Aug 5, 2011 - (Day 52) Employment authorization approved (neither text nor email received)
Aug 8, 2011 - (Day 55) Employment authorization card in the mail
Sept 12, 2011 - (Day 90) Interview Notice in the mail (SMS/email seemingly skipped)
...
Oct 18, 2011 - (Day 126) Interview (APPROVED)

I-751, Petition to Remove the Conditions of Residence

Jul 23, 2013 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jul 25, 2013 - (Day 2) I-75 Package delivered to VSC

Jul 30, 2013 - (Day 7) Check cashed

Jul 31, 2013 - (Day 8) NOA1 received (filing date Jul 26, 2013)

Aug 05, 2013 - (Day 13) ASC Appointment Notice received

Aug 8, 2013 - (Day 16) Biometrics taken - early walk-in (scheduled Aug 27, 2013)

Sep 16, 2013 (Day 55) Case transferred to CSC.

Sep 19, 2013 - (Day 58) NOA2

Approved!

N-400, Application for Naturalization

Jun 07, 2016 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jun 14, 2016 - (Day 6) Check cashed

Jul 02, 2016 - (Day 25) Biometrics NOA

Jul 18, 2016 - (Day 41) Biometrics Taken

Aug 30, 2016 - (Day 84) Interview NOA

Sep 28, 2016 - (Day 113) Interview Scheduled

...

Will I be able to vote at the 2016 elections?

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Mathilda   19

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for more than 90 days

AOS from Visa Waiver to Green Card (became out of status meanwhile)
Apr 26, 2011 - (Day -49) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Apr 28, 2011 - (Day -47) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
May 24, 2011 - (Day -21) Rejection date on forms I-797 (wrong address on form I-485)
May 30, 2011 - (Day -14) Form I-797, Notice of Action/Rejection in the mail
Jun 14, 2011 - (Day 0) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 16, 2011 - (Day 2) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 27, 2011 - (Day 13) Received receipt confirmation via email for all three forms
Jul 1, 2011 - (Day 17) NOA1 paper receipt for EAD in the mail
Jul 2, 2011 - (Day 18) NOA1 paper receipts for 1-485 and i-130 in the mail
Jul 6, 2011 - (Day 22) Biometrics notice in the mail
Jul 20, 2011 - (Day 36) Biometrics taken on day of appointment
Aug 1, 2011 - (Day 48) Contacted local senator to assure employment authorization arrives on time to accept job offer
Aug 5, 2011 - (Day 52) Employment authorization approved (neither text nor email received)
Aug 8, 2011 - (Day 55) Employment authorization card in the mail
Sept 12, 2011 - (Day 90) Interview Notice in the mail (SMS/email seemingly skipped)
...
Oct 18, 2011 - (Day 126) Interview (APPROVED)

I-751, Petition to Remove the Conditions of Residence

Jul 23, 2013 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jul 25, 2013 - (Day 2) I-75 Package delivered to VSC

Jul 30, 2013 - (Day 7) Check cashed

Jul 31, 2013 - (Day 8) NOA1 received (filing date Jul 26, 2013)

Aug 05, 2013 - (Day 13) ASC Appointment Notice received

Aug 8, 2013 - (Day 16) Biometrics taken - early walk-in (scheduled Aug 27, 2013)

Sep 16, 2013 (Day 55) Case transferred to CSC.

Sep 19, 2013 - (Day 58) NOA2

Approved!

N-400, Application for Naturalization

Jun 07, 2016 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jun 14, 2016 - (Day 6) Check cashed

Jul 02, 2016 - (Day 25) Biometrics NOA

Jul 18, 2016 - (Day 41) Biometrics Taken

Aug 30, 2016 - (Day 84) Interview NOA

Sep 28, 2016 - (Day 113) Interview Scheduled

...

Will I be able to vote at the 2016 elections?

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Boiler Grand Master

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Good point! But I did have my passport stamped for pleasure, which is still the main purpose of my trip. Furthermore, I am not going to get paid before 3 months have passed, thus pass my stay here.

Then the discussion of business and work is moot. One entry type for business one for pleasure. WA and WB I think.

If you turned up at the PoE saying that you would be working remotely and sought admittance on the VWP you would be on the next plane back.

As you highlighted the VWP is 90 days, not 3 months.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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Then the discussion of business and work is moot. One entry type for business one for pleasure. WA and WB I think.

If you turned up at the PoE saying that you would be working remotely and sought admittance on the VWP you would be on the next plane back.

As you highlighted the VWP is 90 days, not 3 months.

Honestly, I do not think it is necessarily true (otherwise we would not be having this discussion). I agree that I DO NOT HAVE a business visa, but I am not here for business either. I mean, I am not here to seek employment in the U.S.; and yes, I implied that 3 months is passed my VPW admittance since my 90 days clock already started.

AOS from Visa Waiver to Green Card (became out of status meanwhile)
Apr 26, 2011 - (Day -49) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Apr 28, 2011 - (Day -47) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
May 24, 2011 - (Day -21) Rejection date on forms I-797 (wrong address on form I-485)
May 30, 2011 - (Day -14) Form I-797, Notice of Action/Rejection in the mail
Jun 14, 2011 - (Day 0) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 16, 2011 - (Day 2) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 27, 2011 - (Day 13) Received receipt confirmation via email for all three forms
Jul 1, 2011 - (Day 17) NOA1 paper receipt for EAD in the mail
Jul 2, 2011 - (Day 18) NOA1 paper receipts for 1-485 and i-130 in the mail
Jul 6, 2011 - (Day 22) Biometrics notice in the mail
Jul 20, 2011 - (Day 36) Biometrics taken on day of appointment
Aug 1, 2011 - (Day 48) Contacted local senator to assure employment authorization arrives on time to accept job offer
Aug 5, 2011 - (Day 52) Employment authorization approved (neither text nor email received)
Aug 8, 2011 - (Day 55) Employment authorization card in the mail
Sept 12, 2011 - (Day 90) Interview Notice in the mail (SMS/email seemingly skipped)
...
Oct 18, 2011 - (Day 126) Interview (APPROVED)

I-751, Petition to Remove the Conditions of Residence

Jul 23, 2013 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jul 25, 2013 - (Day 2) I-75 Package delivered to VSC

Jul 30, 2013 - (Day 7) Check cashed

Jul 31, 2013 - (Day 8) NOA1 received (filing date Jul 26, 2013)

Aug 05, 2013 - (Day 13) ASC Appointment Notice received

Aug 8, 2013 - (Day 16) Biometrics taken - early walk-in (scheduled Aug 27, 2013)

Sep 16, 2013 (Day 55) Case transferred to CSC.

Sep 19, 2013 - (Day 58) NOA2

Approved!

N-400, Application for Naturalization

Jun 07, 2016 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jun 14, 2016 - (Day 6) Check cashed

Jul 02, 2016 - (Day 25) Biometrics NOA

Jul 18, 2016 - (Day 41) Biometrics Taken

Aug 30, 2016 - (Day 84) Interview NOA

Sep 28, 2016 - (Day 113) Interview Scheduled

...

Will I be able to vote at the 2016 elections?

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Honestly, I do not think it is necessarily true (otherwise we would not be having this discussion). I agree that I DO NOT HAVE a business visa, but I am not here for business either. I mean, I am not here to seek employment in the U.S.; and yes, I implied that 3 months is passed my VPW admittance since my 90 days clock already started.

I remember coming with some books for an exam I had to take, so I was admitted as Pleasure, technically I guess I should not have studied, but not something I would expect anybody to make a fuss about.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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I remember coming with some books for an exam I had to take, so I was admitted as Pleasure, technically I guess I should not have studied, but not something I would expect anybody to make a fuss about.

I agree. In fact, they only should fuss about you attending class for credit, because you can take classes for pleasure on a VWP.

AOS from Visa Waiver to Green Card (became out of status meanwhile)
Apr 26, 2011 - (Day -49) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Apr 28, 2011 - (Day -47) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
May 24, 2011 - (Day -21) Rejection date on forms I-797 (wrong address on form I-485)
May 30, 2011 - (Day -14) Form I-797, Notice of Action/Rejection in the mail
Jun 14, 2011 - (Day 0) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 16, 2011 - (Day 2) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 27, 2011 - (Day 13) Received receipt confirmation via email for all three forms
Jul 1, 2011 - (Day 17) NOA1 paper receipt for EAD in the mail
Jul 2, 2011 - (Day 18) NOA1 paper receipts for 1-485 and i-130 in the mail
Jul 6, 2011 - (Day 22) Biometrics notice in the mail
Jul 20, 2011 - (Day 36) Biometrics taken on day of appointment
Aug 1, 2011 - (Day 48) Contacted local senator to assure employment authorization arrives on time to accept job offer
Aug 5, 2011 - (Day 52) Employment authorization approved (neither text nor email received)
Aug 8, 2011 - (Day 55) Employment authorization card in the mail
Sept 12, 2011 - (Day 90) Interview Notice in the mail (SMS/email seemingly skipped)
...
Oct 18, 2011 - (Day 126) Interview (APPROVED)

I-751, Petition to Remove the Conditions of Residence

Jul 23, 2013 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jul 25, 2013 - (Day 2) I-75 Package delivered to VSC

Jul 30, 2013 - (Day 7) Check cashed

Jul 31, 2013 - (Day 8) NOA1 received (filing date Jul 26, 2013)

Aug 05, 2013 - (Day 13) ASC Appointment Notice received

Aug 8, 2013 - (Day 16) Biometrics taken - early walk-in (scheduled Aug 27, 2013)

Sep 16, 2013 (Day 55) Case transferred to CSC.

Sep 19, 2013 - (Day 58) NOA2

Approved!

N-400, Application for Naturalization

Jun 07, 2016 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jun 14, 2016 - (Day 6) Check cashed

Jul 02, 2016 - (Day 25) Biometrics NOA

Jul 18, 2016 - (Day 41) Biometrics Taken

Aug 30, 2016 - (Day 84) Interview NOA

Sep 28, 2016 - (Day 113) Interview Scheduled

...

Will I be able to vote at the 2016 elections?

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Boiler Grand Master

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They were professional exams.

Nothing about them was pleasurable!

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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They were professional exams.

Nothing about them was pleasurable!

:rofl:

AOS from Visa Waiver to Green Card (became out of status meanwhile)
Apr 26, 2011 - (Day -49) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-131, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Apr 28, 2011 - (Day -47) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
May 24, 2011 - (Day -21) Rejection date on forms I-797 (wrong address on form I-485)
May 30, 2011 - (Day -14) Form I-797, Notice of Action/Rejection in the mail
Jun 14, 2011 - (Day 0) AOS package (I-485, I-130, I-765 and supporting evidence) sent to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 16, 2011 - (Day 2) Package delivered to Chicago Lockbox
Jun 27, 2011 - (Day 13) Received receipt confirmation via email for all three forms
Jul 1, 2011 - (Day 17) NOA1 paper receipt for EAD in the mail
Jul 2, 2011 - (Day 18) NOA1 paper receipts for 1-485 and i-130 in the mail
Jul 6, 2011 - (Day 22) Biometrics notice in the mail
Jul 20, 2011 - (Day 36) Biometrics taken on day of appointment
Aug 1, 2011 - (Day 48) Contacted local senator to assure employment authorization arrives on time to accept job offer
Aug 5, 2011 - (Day 52) Employment authorization approved (neither text nor email received)
Aug 8, 2011 - (Day 55) Employment authorization card in the mail
Sept 12, 2011 - (Day 90) Interview Notice in the mail (SMS/email seemingly skipped)
...
Oct 18, 2011 - (Day 126) Interview (APPROVED)

I-751, Petition to Remove the Conditions of Residence

Jul 23, 2013 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jul 25, 2013 - (Day 2) I-75 Package delivered to VSC

Jul 30, 2013 - (Day 7) Check cashed

Jul 31, 2013 - (Day 8) NOA1 received (filing date Jul 26, 2013)

Aug 05, 2013 - (Day 13) ASC Appointment Notice received

Aug 8, 2013 - (Day 16) Biometrics taken - early walk-in (scheduled Aug 27, 2013)

Sep 16, 2013 (Day 55) Case transferred to CSC.

Sep 19, 2013 - (Day 58) NOA2

Approved!

N-400, Application for Naturalization

Jun 07, 2016 - (Day 0) I-75 Package mailed to VSC

Jun 14, 2016 - (Day 6) Check cashed

Jul 02, 2016 - (Day 25) Biometrics NOA

Jul 18, 2016 - (Day 41) Biometrics Taken

Aug 30, 2016 - (Day 84) Interview NOA

Sep 28, 2016 - (Day 113) Interview Scheduled

...

Will I be able to vote at the 2016 elections?

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