Deported because parents came here Illegally

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Oh, I wasn't comparing my situation with an illegal alien. I'm well aware that our situations are obviously very different. It's a pet peeve of mine -- people infantalizing teenagers. They aren't, most are grown up at 17-18 years of age. I know I was. I was responding directly to your comment about the fact that you were scared to move to Uni a few states over.

Sorry, but your personal experience doesn't invalidate mine if that is where you are heading.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,235]

I don't know what I would do, but I doubt my first choice would involve getting dropped off in downtown Ciudad Juarez being able to speak only English.

That wouldn't happen. As a Canadian, you'd be dropped off in downtown Toronto, being able to speak only English. If they'd drop you off in downtown Ciudad Juarez, you'd be Mexican with Mexican illegal immigrant parents who taught you Spanish from the day you were born. You'd speak Spanish as good as English.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That wouldn't happen. As a Canadian, you'd be dropped off in downtown Toronto, being able to speak only English. If they'd drop you off in downtown Ciudad Juarez, you'd be Mexican with Mexican illegal immigrant parents who taught you Spanish from the day you were born. You'd speak Spanish as good as English.

Not always. There was a story posted recently where a woman had been adopted by US parents for instance. I'm pretty sure she only knew English.

Those who think this issue is so black and white couldn't be more mistaken.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Sousuke

[Boiler 45,314]

You misunderstood. I'm not saying what should he have done. I'm asking (hypothetically) what you would do in that situation? (although I wasn't directing the question specifically at you.)

Suppose you find out tommorrow that you were actually born in Mexico and all the documents and ID you have ever had were forgeries and you are now in the US illegally but no one else knows. What would you do? Would you voluntarily report to USCIS tomorrow? Would you think about it for a while? Would you go on with life until you get caught?

I'm not asking what USCIS or ICE should do because I know that already. I'm asking how would we expect ourselves to react?

So I am a Mexican National.

I do not drive.

I do not speak Spanish.

I do not go to College.

Never had to any situation where I had to prove my identity.

Sort of like that film with Tom Hanks where the guy was actually brought up on a TV set all his life.

So out of the say 5,000,000 undocumented Mexicans in the US I guess there could be one who fits that profile.

I think I would sell my story to the media and live in luxury.

Would I got USCIS, no idea why. ICE deal with deportations.

If I went to ICE what would they do, well nothing unless I had a criminal record, they have bigger fish to fry.

There was a Mexican woman in Denver trying to do that, she wanted to be able to try for COR, camped outside their office, ignored.

Seriously what would I do if I wanted to stay, find an American Spouse.

If I did not want to stay I would make plans and leave at my convenience.

[Zero Sum 305]

I think that would be the most common reaction. I honestly don't think I would do what this guy did though. I wouldn't start a family, buy a house etc. because my mindset would be to get myself out of that situation, either by becoming legal or preparing to leave. I also know I would not just up and turn myself in the moment I found out.

Exactly. Self-preservation in most people is fairly strong. On all parts of the spectrum- from perceiving he'd be OK by volunteering himself to purposely evading detection to seeking some avenue to becoming a citizen.

That wouldn't happen. As a Canadian, you'd be dropped off in downtown Toronto, being able to speak only English. If they'd drop you off in downtown Ciudad Juarez, you'd be Mexican with Mexican illegal immigrant parents who taught you Spanish from the day you were born. You'd speak Spanish as good as English.

That would be assuming as much. Reality may point to the contrary.

[Zero Sum 305]

So I am a Mexican National.

I do not drive.

I do not speak Spanish.

I do not go to College.

Never had to any situation where I had to prove my identity.

Sort of like that film with Tom Hanks where the guy was actually brought up on a TV set all his life.

So out of the say 5,000,000 undocumented Mexicans in the US I guess there could be one who fits that profile.

I think I would sell my story to the media and live in luxury.

Would I got USCIS, no idea why. ICE deal with deportations.

If I went to ICE what would they do, well nothing unless I had a criminal record, they have bigger fish to fry.

There was a Mexican woman in Denver trying to do that, she wanted to be able to try for COR, camped outside their office, ignored.

Seriously what would I do if I wanted to stay, find an American Spouse.

If I did not want to stay I would make plans and leave at my convenience.

That would probably have been the 'smartest' thing to do. Then I'm sure he could find a way of planning a year or two in México while his spouse would do the K visa. End of story. Not everyone is that lucky though, and not everyone is as tough as us VJers that can withstand the time it takes to wait to do it legit.

[Boiler 45,314]

He is Mexican.

It would be only a couple of weeks.

I have spent longer than that in Mexico on holiday.

[Zero Sum 305]

He is Mexican.

It would be only a couple of weeks.

I have spent longer than that in Mexico on holiday.

That might be good for him if he voluntarily went to Mazatlan or somewhere nice like that. I have tried speaking Spanish with plenty of Mexican kids here in the US though, to no avail of being able to have a coherent discussion about anything without the Spanglish coming up. And there I lump both legal and illegals equally.

[rika60607 215]

Yet they seem to be deporting this guy in the original story despite lack of criminal record?

If I went to ICE what would they do, well nothing unless I had a criminal record, they have bigger fish to fry.

Marriage to US citizen would not allow AOS due to illegal presence. So he'd have to stay in Mexico waiting out either 3 or 10 year ban. Unless he'd get a waiver approved, which still would take a while.

Seriously what would I do if I wanted to stay, find an American Spouse.

[Zero Sum 305]

Unless he literally self-deports by crossing the border in reverse without US Government knowledge. Then he can return if approved. Of course this is technically fraud, but I imagine it gets done as well in some cases.

[Boiler 45,314]

A couple of weeks for a waiver, if he did not need one a couple of days.

In our theoretical case.

[Zero Sum 305]

In more real cases, online hits are counting on more than 5 weeks. Of course that's better than forever.

[Dakine10 5,452]

That wouldn't happen. As a Canadian, you'd be dropped off in downtown Toronto, being able to speak only English. If they'd drop you off in downtown Ciudad Juarez, you'd be Mexican with Mexican illegal immigrant parents who taught you Spanish from the day you were born. You'd speak Spanish as good as English.

Hopefully I would speak Spanish (or English). That's not always the case as in the link below:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/03/29/1127368/an-illusion-of-citizenship-woman.html

However all these stories are people that were caught by law enforcement. I'm asking what if you had a choice. I assume the guy in the story was told by his parents at some point that he was illegal. Lets say he was told at 18 years old and he decided to stay in the US and proceed as normal and now he got caught. I believ that is what many people would do.

You kind of answered the question earlier based on your own experience - you stayed in the US but you were also prepared for the eventuality that you were caught.

[rika60607 215]

If he self deports, he can't just show up at the US embassy and ask for a visa. He'd need to show some documents, such as Mexican passport, show where he lived all this time, give grounds for requesting a visa, perhaps proof of finances, education and a salaried job...

He'd need to establish a life first.

Unless he literally self-deports by crossing the border in reverse without US Government knowledge. Then he can return if approved. Of course this is technically fraud, but I imagine it gets done as well in some cases.

I never thought that waivers were so easy - just fill one out and 5 weeks later it's approved. Is that what all those people in the waiver forum are discussing?

In more real cases, online hits are counting on more than 5 weeks. Of course that's better than forever.

I think he should be deported, BTW, along with his wife. But I think it is just too easy for people here to say, oh it is his own fault, he should have left when he was 18 and life would be peaches.

Edited March 11, 2011 by rika60607

[Zero Sum 305]

If he self deports, he can't just show up at the US embassy and ask for a visa. He'd need to show some documents, such as Mexican passport, show where he lived all this time, give grounds for requesting a visa, perhaps proof of finances, education and a salaried job...

He'd need to establish a life first.

That he would have to do. Nevertheless, fraudulent as it may be, it can still be done. Assuming some kind of American education, this may open some doors to him locally down there. The kind of visa we're talking about (to come back) would be the K, so he'd need a co-conspirator USC willing to ante up the cash and the time.

Waivers are by no means automatic.

There's a certain element of gambling involved.