Deported because parents came here Illegally

[rika60607 215]

There you go - try to pass the DREAM act with only one option, the military option. And require 4 years of service. And grant them all benefits that a US citizen military would normally get - like college education being paid for.

I am not a US Citizen, but I have a step son who is. When he looked at Uni if he went out of State the cost was something like 3x in State. Somebody undocumented would have been charged a lot less than he would have been, which is crazy.

The F1 Student rates would be the most logical, but I might bend on that, do not know enough about how the rates are structured. Basically you are giving somebody a pass, letting them get a discount is just unfair on the person sitting next to them who did it legally.

Judging from what I have read elsewhere about the DREAM Act there was very little interest in the Military option.

[Boiler 45,794]

I would go along with that.

[Zero Sum 305]

I am not a US Citizen, but I have a step son who is. When he looked at Uni if he went out of State the cost was something like 3x in State. Somebody undocumented would have been charged a lot less than he would have been, which is crazy.

The F1 Student rates would be the most logical, but I might bend on that, do not know enough about how the rates are structured. Basically you are giving somebody a pass, letting them get a discount is just unfair on the person sitting next to them who did it legally.

Judging from what I have read elsewhere about the DREAM Act there was very little interest in the Military option.

Not everyone is cut out for military service. The legislation needs to be quite clear. Show patriotism, get the benefit of residence.

As for college, out of state tuition for year one. Then they can claim in-state rates if they legally qualify for residence of the state they are in school. Out of state rates tend to be the same as international rates, although international students tend to have to show they [being rich] have the money upfront.

Their residency in the state is obvious- they've been here a while.

So IMO, military, civil service, or college with a payback obligation to seek employment in [define your list if you like] a field that reflects national service in some capacity.

But I would be cool with military/civil service corps at a modest 4 year commitment.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Not everyone is cut out for military service. The legislation needs to be quite clear. Show patriotism, get the benefit of residence.

As for college, out of state tuition for year one. Then they can claim in-state rates if they legally qualify for residence of the state they are in school. Out of state rates tend to be the same as international rates, although international students tend to have to show they [being rich] have the money upfront.

Their residency in the state is obvious- they've been here a while.

So IMO, military, civil service, or college with a payback obligation to seek employment in [define your list if you like] a field that reflects national service in some capacity.

But I would be cool with military/civil service corps at a modest 4 year commitment.

No, not everyone is cut out for military service, but we don't need any more immigrants here. We should look at how Canada is refining their immigration policies to only accept people who are highly skilled.

[B_J 2,752]

we don't need any more immigrants here.

That's a really strange thing to say on this site.

[Zero Sum 305]

No, not everyone is cut out for military service, but we don't need any more immigrants here. We should look at how Canada is refining their immigration policies to only accept people who are highly skilled.

We need better citizens, not easily fooled into supporting causes that do not favor them, that's what we need. But that's another topic!

As for what Canadians are doing, its their country. I have heard many go there on visas, learn English or French or both, have a good time, and then go back home. And many of those do it independent of their particular background. Many more who have stayed, do so and become contributing Canadian citizens.

Its tough times economically. And this is when the more intolerant sectors of society try to scapegoat immigrants en masse.

[rika60607 215]

I see military service as something the US currently needs.

But two years in college - this is more of a benefit to the person who went to college than benefit to the country. How does going to college show patriotism? It doesn't. If you replace the college requirement with "exceptional talent", that would be cool. It could include going to the top colleges of the country and with scholarships included, good universities will often provide scholarships for obviously talented students.

Not everyone is cut out for military service. The legislation needs to be quite clear. Show patriotism, get the benefit of residence.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I see military service as something the US currently needs.

But two years in college - this is more of a benefit to the person who went to college than benefit to the country. How does going to college show patriotism? It doesn't. If you replace the college requirement with "exceptional talent", that would be cool. It could include going to the top colleges of the country and with scholarships included, good universities will often provide scholarships for obviously talented students.

ROTC maybe?

[rika60607 215]

Someone might be unfit for the military, yet have a lot to offer, because they are a talented musician or a very bright student.

ROTC maybe?

[Zero Sum 305]

I'd go for redefining it that way. Military or 'talented' students. I know its not the most representative, but the showcased student stories we've seen in the media have stated that affected DREAM students outperformed other students just because they were motivated to excel in school by a myriad of factors. Sure beats the kids turning into binge-drinking frat brats. Although if they work hard, they too should be able to party hard.

[Darnell 8,478]

Where is Rigoberto Damain today ?

[DARUMA07 25]

Where is Rigoberto Damain today ?

He left Kansas City Feb. 5th on a bus back to Mexico.. Haven't heard or read anymore stories concerning Rigoberto.....

[sachinky 465]

Its nice that you provided your personal experience here, but I wonder how flying in for school at Cornell where you probably have all of your accommodation setup compares to being bused in to say a mexican border town and left to fend for oneself? One might also compare the general safety of Ithaca to a border town and realize that they are very different.

Oh, I wasn't comparing my situation with an illegal alien. I'm well aware that our situations are obviously very different. It's a pet peeve of mine -- people infantalizing teenagers. They aren't, most are grown up at 17-18 years of age. I know I was. I was responding directly to your comment about the fact that you were scared to move to Uni a few states over.

[Zero Sum 305]

No offense, but there's a lot more stock to be placed on a teenager that is cultured in one country without any real ties to another nation- and uprooted for sins committed by another. Besides, its doubtful the majority those deportees would enjoy the same level of financial aid you enjoyed at college.

[sachinky 465]

Again, I am NOT comparing my 'college situation' with that of this man and/or other illegal aliens. I'm not deluded. I was merely responding to a particular comment made by Sousuke regarding teenager's ability to adapt, being terrified and such. In general terms.

Edited March 11, 2011 by sachinky