Deported because parents came here Illegally

[Boiler 45,467]

In these type of cases, I put myself in the person's shoes. I imagine myself 17 and everything about me then. If you told me I needed to return to Mexico, I'd rather hide and be homeless in the US. I can imagine my 18 year old self being killed in Mexico in under 2 years and thats not a joke. At 18 I simply could not adapt in time.

Heck at 18 I was a little bit scared to go away to university a few states away.

Amusingly that is the same sort of age that most people EWI. They manage it. Not even their country.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Latino youth, all of them, are exposed to La Raza in the USA

Absolute and utter BS. ALL of them? Really? Let me go check with my cousins.

Inflammatory and unsubstantiated rubbish.

[sachinky 465]

In these type of cases, I put myself in the person's shoes. I imagine myself 17 and everything about me then. If you told me I needed to return to Mexico, I'd rather hide and be homeless in the US. I can imagine my 18 year old self being killed in Mexico in under 2 years and thats not a joke. At 18 I simply could not adapt in time.

Heck at 18 I was a little bit scared to go away to university a few states away.

That's you, though. Most people tend to treat teenagers as if they're useless and incapacitated. But I, for one, was quite independent and fearless when I moved to Ithaca, NY from Calcutta, India at 18. Legally, of course. I had/have no family here. I simply moved for college. For the record, IMO, it's much easier to adapt at that young age (18-20) than adapting at say, age 45.

As for the story, illegal aliens with anchor babies. Old news. Moving on.

Edited March 9, 2011 by sachinky

[B_J 2,752]

That's you, though. Most people tend to treat teenagers as if they're useless and incapacitated. But I, for one, was quite independent and fearless when I moved to Ithaca, NY from Calcutta, India at 18. Legally, of course. I had/have no family here. I simply moved for college. For the record, IMO, it's much easier to adapt at that young age (18-20) than adapting at say, age 45.

As for the story, illegal aliens with anchor babies. Old news. Moving on.

I'm assuming that, since you said you moved for college, you had been accepted and knew where you were going?

That's a little different than being told to leave a country. You are brought to a country as a child, you grow up in that country, then when you're 18 you are told to leave. You're not told to go to college in another country, you're just told to leave.

I'm not trying to sway any opinions; I'm just saying that's a really tough spot to be in. And it's a really tough spot to be in when it wasn't your choice to be there.

[Boiler 45,467]

You do not get told to leave at any age.

[Fandango 1,439]

As for working in the U.S. without authorization - why are people assuming that HE committed fraud. Yes, he may have used a false SSN to get the job, but we don't know that. Just as possible, he could have applied without an SSN. This could have been overlooked by his employer. But we just don't know either way. Without evidence, we are really jumping to conclusions if we assume anything - including fraud on his part.

Err, tax forms for pay? He had to fill one of those out for a legal job.

Or he could be being paid under the table.

Either way, fraud. End of.

[B_J 2,752]

You do not get told to leave at any age.

Isn't the person in the original story being told to leave?

[Boiler 45,467]

That would be like saying a convicted felon was asked to go to jail, implies choice.

[amesa 9]

This is very, very sad. Yet, at the same time, laws are laws and rules are rules. Unfortunately, not all are enforced and situations like this happens.

The only way I see to curtail this type of horrific outcome is for the US to secure the borders and anyone who crosses needs to be deported. Parents who cross the borders illegally and bring their children with them have no common sense to the pain that they are causing.

I have NO issue whatsoever with immigration, nor am I racist, but I am a strong believer in obeying and upholding the law. The stuff that people get away with in this country...I would never, ever be able to get away with in theirs. I wouldn't even be able to demand service in English!

My heart goes out to the family that is suffering, but the blame goes to the guy's parents.

[amesa 9]

At the moment ICE normally tries to aviod undocumented mother with USC children as it runs into humanitarian ground and times court let them stay here as defending lawyer would always claim that sending them back to their home country would effect children and their education .... on and on.

Sorry to be so crude, but I'm going to be blunt and say...that's not my problem. You break the law, you pay the consequences and a lot of times, a lot of innocent bystanders get affected. If they are not documented, they need to go back where they came from...and the kids too, unfortunately. Keep the family together so it's not a humanitarian issue.

[amesa 9]

Blimey, people are jumping to conclusions on this thread.

It is quite possible to purchase a home (or health insurance) without an SSN. It doesn't necessarily indicate he acted fraudulently.

You can use an ITIN instead - these are official ID numbers issued to undocumented workers by the IRS, so they can file taxes. A quick google search will show you loads of companies willing to offer mortgages to clients who only have ITINs.

I make a lot more than an illegal, yet for some reason don't qualify for a home loan...hmmmm...I'm sorry, but these companies need to help out US CITIZENS first.

[amesa 9]

He seems to have had a valid driver's license (or he'd have been charged and prosecuted after the traffic stop - the link provided by Darum says he has no criminal record). But again, it's a stretch to assume he got one through fraud.

He's 28 and could have been driving for many years. I know us recent immigrants often have to jump through hoops and (in many cases) provide an EAD/ GC and an SSN to apply for a license, but until recently it used to be MUCH easier. From what I hear from my family and colleagues, you could just turn up at the DMV with some kind of proof of address (letter from school, utility bill, bank statement etc) and take your test. The stricter ID rules were introduced (in many states) to make it harder for illegals, but he easily could have got his license before these stricter rules were introduced.

As for working in the U.S. without authorization - why are people assuming that HE committed fraud. Yes, he may have used a false SSN to get the job, but we don't know that. Just as possible, he could have applied without an SSN. This could have been overlooked by his employer. But we just don't know either way. Without evidence, we are really jumping to conclusions if we assume anything - including fraud on his part.

I live in Miami, Florida. I just changed my name on my drivers license due to my marriage. In this state, you have to show valid proof of identity: original birth certificate or passport or if you are a LPR, immigration paperwork. You cannot just use a utility bill or a lease/mortgage agreement. There is a ton of paperwork you have to bring...and it was insane for me...being a USC.

[Boiler 45,467]

I know some who are doing very nicely. They are not all standing outside HD.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

That's you, though. Most people tend to treat teenagers as if they're useless and incapacitated. But I, for one, was quite independent and fearless when I moved to Ithaca, NY from Calcutta, India at 18. Legally, of course. I had/have no family here. I simply moved for college. For the record, IMO, it's much easier to adapt at that young age (18-20) than adapting at say, age 45.

As for the story, illegal aliens with anchor babies. Old news. Moving on.

Yes it is me, though I would say I was not treated in the manner you might associate with me. When I was younger I was anti-social and generally shy, its just who I was as a person. However, you are right in saying that American children grow up slower than say India perhaps....and these children ARE growing up in the US if you see my point.

Its nice that you provided your personal experience here, but I wonder how flying in for school at Cornell where you probably have all of your accommodation setup compares to being bused in to say a mexican border town and left to fend for oneself? One might also compare the general safety of Ithaca to a border town and realize that they are very different.

Edited March 9, 2011 by Sousuke

[B_J 2,752]

That would be like saying a convicted felon was asked to go to jail, implies choice.

Really? That's your argument?

Rather than saying a person is being deported, I said they were "told" to leave. Granted, I haven't ever actually watched a person being deported but perhaps at some point they were told that they were going to leave the country.

And now you're continuing the discussion because somehow now you consider telling somebody to leave to be the same as giving them a choice? I think you're just disagreeing because you just want to disagree.

I'm moving on.