Deported because parents came here Illegally

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

This is from the article linked to in an earlier post.

He found out that he wasn't an American citizen when it came time to fill out college applications; his parents told him that he didn't have a Social Security number. He took a job bagging groceries at a Happy Food Center. Nine years later, Calderon has worked his way up to produce manager, a salaried position.

In 2001, Calderon married his wife, Gloria, who's also undocumented. They have three children: Gloria Michelle, born in 2002; Emely Alexandria, born in 2005; and a third born recently. Happy Foods doesn't offer health insurance, so Calderon bought insurance through a private family plan. The family owns a home in Kansas City. Their entire extended family lives in the States.

Apparently he was well aware of his status BEFORE his 18th birthday and chose to remain here.

Now, explain to me how he bought a house and holds down a salaried management position without having a Social Security Number?

Maybe he is fraudulently using a SSN? Wouldn't that be a crime and give him problems with the Good Moral part of cancellation of removal?

BTW, the title of this tread is misleading, he was deported because he chose to remain here illegally and ignore the fact that he has no legal status in the US.

Edited March 7, 2011 by Bob 4 Anna

[Fandango 1,439]

That's no fare... sending them all out of US will effect them and taking their main breadwinner away will not.

Great.

Well hell, let's let him stay and give him a raise too.

You know, for the children.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

That would not be fair to the people who apply and go thru right process to come here or in that ase migrate to any country.

So heres lets it take to practical level, say a family forces themself in your house inspite you having door and security mechanism. So now they are living in your house without your permission and they bought along a toddler to your house with them too.

Would you let the toddler live in your house? Just coz he had no say in his parents forcing themself in your house?

If you are sensible most likely you will ask all of them to leave or call police to force them to leave.

Thats what immigration is doing when they get hold of someone like them with all due process they send them back to their home. In his case his adult parents should had thought about the consequence that would come along with their decision.

Most teenagers are not aware of their status, thats hard to believe when you know rest of your friends can work at normal store or when they apply for fin-aid in college and you cannot coz you dont have ssn number or you dont have passport or now getting hard time getting a drivers lic - should tell them there is something wrong.

Come on. When you were 16 or 17, would you have had the first clue about what to do if you found yourself in this predicament.

Think about this long and hard before you answer.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

Come on. When you were 16 or 17, would you have had the first clue about what to do if you found yourself in this predicament.

Think about this long and hard before you answer.

Rebecca, if I had paid attention to some of those civic classes that I had in the 8th or 9th grade and when the topic of what makes a person a US citizen, I would have then felt the need to maybe discuss this with my family, b/c i am sure by now I have heard all of the whispers from my parents and family why there are reasons why the family could't begin to do certain things.

[Boiler 45,784]

Come on. When you were 16 or 17, would you have had the first clue about what to do if you found yourself in this predicament.

Think about this long and hard before you answer.

I was in the UK when I was 18, and of course you would.

More so in the US as I think it is 16 when you are looking for a DL as opposed to 17.

Didn't you have a job before 18?

[N M 96]

Blimey, people are jumping to conclusions on this thread.

It is quite possible to purchase a home (or health insurance) without an SSN. It doesn't necessarily indicate he acted fraudulently.

You can use an ITIN instead - these are official ID numbers issued to undocumented workers by the IRS, so they can file taxes. A quick google search will show you loads of companies willing to offer mortgages to clients who only have ITINs.

[Boiler 45,784]

What about driving and working?

ITIN's are not just for those here illegally btw. I would be surprised if that was the original purpose.

[N M 96]

What about driving and working?

He seems to have had a valid driver's license (or he'd have been charged and prosecuted after the traffic stop - the link provided by Darum says he has no criminal record). But again, it's a stretch to assume he got one through fraud.

He's 28 and could have been driving for many years. I know us recent immigrants often have to jump through hoops and (in many cases) provide an EAD/ GC and an SSN to apply for a license, but until recently it used to be MUCH easier. From what I hear from my family and colleagues, you could just turn up at the DMV with some kind of proof of address (letter from school, utility bill, bank statement etc) and take your test. The stricter ID rules were introduced (in many states) to make it harder for illegals, but he easily could have got his license before these stricter rules were introduced.

As for working in the U.S. without authorization - why are people assuming that HE committed fraud. Yes, he may have used a false SSN to get the job, but we don't know that. Just as possible, he could have applied without an SSN. This could have been overlooked by his employer. But we just don't know either way. Without evidence, we are really jumping to conclusions if we assume anything - including fraud on his part.

[rika60607 215]

Or, deport both parents and give them a choice - take the kids with you or leave them in foster care or with relatives (article states all immediate relatives of this guy are in the US). What would happen if both parents committed a crime? Having three kids would be no excuse to get a free pass out of jail.

Well hell, let's let him stay and give him a raise too.

You know, for the children.

[rika60607 215]

I would not.

I wish someone changed the age limit to 21. When you are 18, you probably got no job and no money to speak of, so dealing with leaving the country and re-applying is hard.

Come on. When you were 16 or 17, would you have had the first clue about what to do if you found yourself in this predicament.

Think about this long and hard before you answer.

[rika60607 215]

If he had a valid driver's license, how did his illegal status came to light during a traffic stop? I was never asked for any proof of my status, just license/registration/insurance...

He seems to have had a valid driver's license (or he'd have been charged and prosecuted after the traffic stop - the link provided by Darum says he has no criminal record).

Edited March 8, 2011 by rika60607

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

For 9 years he knew he was living "outside the law" or whatever you want to call it. He made a lot of choices along the way and this is the end result of those choices.

He chose to start a family when he was aware of his lack of legal status. That doesn't make him a victim. His kids are victims of his arrogance though.

[Boiler 45,784]

He seems to have had a valid driver's license (or he'd have been charged and prosecuted after the traffic stop - the link provided by Darum says he has no criminal record). But again, it's a stretch to assume he got one through fraud.

He's 28 and could have been driving for many years. I know us recent immigrants often have to jump through hoops and (in many cases) provide an EAD/ GC and an SSN to apply for a license, but until recently it used to be MUCH easier. From what I hear from my family and colleagues, you could just turn up at the DMV with some kind of proof of address (letter from school, utility bill, bank statement etc) and take your test. The stricter ID rules were introduced (in many states) to make it harder for illegals, but he easily could have got his license before these stricter rules were introduced.

As for working in the U.S. without authorization - why are people assuming that HE committed fraud. Yes, he may have used a false SSN to get the job, but we don't know that. Just as possible, he could have applied without an SSN. This could have been overlooked by his employer. But we just don't know either way. Without evidence, we are really jumping to conclusions if we assume anything - including fraud on his part.

There is no mention that he had a DL, that seems to how he got busted, and no doubt no insurance either. Neither of which seem a big deal compared to the UK. I have lost count of the number of times I have seen something like this with no criminal record, but a long line of driving infractions.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Come on. When you were 16 or 17, would you have had the first clue about what to do if you found yourself in this predicament.

Think about this long and hard before you answer.

In these type of cases, I put myself in the person's shoes. I imagine myself 17 and everything about me then. If you told me I needed to return to Mexico, I'd rather hide and be homeless in the US. I can imagine my 18 year old self being killed in Mexico in under 2 years and thats not a joke. At 18 I simply could not adapt in time.

Heck at 18 I was a little bit scared to go away to university a few states away.

Edited March 8, 2011 by Sousuke

[B_J 2,752]

In these type of cases, I put myself in the person's shoes. I imagine myself 17 and everything about me then. If you told me I needed to return to Mexico, I'd rather hide and be homeless in the US. I can imagine my 18 year old self being killed in Mexico in under 2 years and thats not a joke. At 18 I simply could not adapt in time.

Heck at 18 I was a little bit scared to go away to university a few states away.

I've discussed this same thing with many people and you probably gave the most honest answer I've heard.

If I grew up in the US and then, when I turned 18 you told me I had to move to a foreign country; I really don't know what I would do. And sadly, where I'm at, there are too many young people in this exact situation.