Deported because parents came here Illegally

[The_Dude 1,142]

I didn't suggest anything about you. Don't feel so identified.

I am very much in favor of proper enforcement at the border.

Maybe you should be more careful in your passive aggressive jabs when quoting someone's text.

And a third. We need to be much more proactive about these things.

QFT +1

[Zero Sum 305]

Maybe you should be more careful in your passive aggressive jabs when quoting someone's text.

QFT +1

Holla. Although you could avoid the conflict where there is none.

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... a cost of living adjusted financial standard ...

I'm not sure I agree. If we did that, you'd suddenly find every downscale petitioner in the country pretending to live in Mississippi. The standard applied has to be one that works in every part of the country. If you're poor in the Bay Area or Manhattan, you're too poor to file a petition. Go make more money.

... and allow foreign assets and income to be used to meet that standard.

Only if existing laws and regs in the beneficiary's country allows for all those assets and income to be brought to the U.S. And anything like this should be contingent on those assets already being in the U.S. when the beneficiary arrives at POE. If you show up and the money you said you had isn't here before you, then you get a ticket back home.

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[chri'stina 190]

My consulate asked for an affidavit of support and financial records with the K1 application, so I had to provide that at that point in the 'journey' and not just at AOS. IMO all consulates should require it and the requirements should be very stringent. If you're broke and wanna get married, find someone local.

I don't agree in all cases, otherwise it would have been a long time until I could have sponsored my husband(then fiance) on my own. And you know we are doing fine. He is the one who had the better money making degree, not me. Had he had no money making skills, or no established career before we started the process then yes I feel we would have been in a troubled financial situation. But I knew that wasn't going to be the case. And it wasn't.

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[chri'stina 190]

I was looking at the figures and while I had a newer job and it seems I would have met the requirements, I think because I lived at home with others, something with household size, I guess. I needed my dad to co-sponsor. ETA: It's been awhile, actually I think it was because of my W-2s from the previous years, while I started a job they needed records and my little income during college was not good enough. So I needed the co-sponsor.

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[Deputy Purple 1,294]

My consulate asked for an affidavit of support and financial records with the K1 application, so I had to provide that at that point in the 'journey' and not just at AOS. IMO all consulates should require it and the requirements should be very stringent. If you're broke and wanna get married, find someone local.

We were discussing the Affidavit Of Support, AKA AOS...

All K-1 Visas require an AOS at interview...

[The_Dude 1,142]

I'm not sure I agree. If we did that, you'd suddenly find every downscale petitioner in the country pretending to live in Mississippi. The standard applied has to be one that works in every part of the country. If you're poor in the Bay Area or Manhattan, you're too poor to file a petition. Go make more money.

There needs to be something to scale the differences in cost of living in various areas. Someone making $28K living in east texas, or arkansas is going to be able to afford to support a wife. Someone making $28k living in Los Angeles, is living in their parents basement.

Only if existing laws and regs in the beneficiary's country allows for all those assets and income to be brought to the U.S. And anything like this should be contingent on those assets already being in the U.S. when the beneficiary arrives at POE. If you show up and the money you said you had isn't here before you, then you get a ticket back home.

Well, that much goes without saying. I guess it would be unfair for people in countries where it is illegal to take currency out of the country, but our immigration policy should reflect the needs of its citizens, not potential ones. I think proof of financial support would be a part of POE.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Well, that much goes without saying. I guess it would be unfair for people in countries where it is illegal to take currency out of the country, but our immigration policy should reflect the needs of its citizens, not potential ones. I think proof of financial support would be a part of POE.

Why do you suggest clogging-up POE with that?

The Proof of Support for all Visas should be done prior to POE but it needs to be done in a better way.

First, throw co-sponsors out the window.

Second, adjust to the local where the sponsor lives.

Third, make the Affidavit of Support at 3 party contract between the Sponsor, Beneficiary & US Government. It should state that the beneficiary is required to go after the Sponsor directly before seeking Means Tested Benefits. This would do 2 things. First it would shift the burden of enforcement and second it should make the sponsor think more seriously about it.

[Zero Sum 305]

+1 Rob

How do you feel about people that are in all essence, Americans? I mean, in all but status?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Why do you suggest clogging-up POE with that?

The Proof of Support for all Visas should be done prior to POE but it needs to be done in a better way.

First, throw co-sponsors out the window.

Second, adjust to the local where the sponsor lives.

Third, make the Affidavit of Support at 3 party contract between the Sponsor, Beneficiary & US Government. It should state that the beneficiary is required to go after the Sponsor directly before seeking Means Tested Benefits. This would do 2 things. First it would shift the burden of enforcement and second it should make the sponsor think more seriously about it.

Well, I hadn't thought it through beyond the initial notion. Your idea sounds better in theory. My qualms lie in the worst case scenarios. If you let people in, then verify, there are those who will find loopholes.

+1 Rob

How do you feel about people that are in all essence, Americans? I mean, in all but status?

I am torn by this. Those in this situation are good americans, they work hard, and try to live a good life, make a better world for their family. But if you grant them amnesty, you are validating their poor judgement. There should be a distinction made between those who came here illegaly, and those who were brought here illegaly.

[Zero Sum 305]

It is a very sticky issue. To be honest, its not about an amnesty, but making these folks prove their intent at being good citizens. A few pages back we had some interesting exchange on the idea of things like the DREAM Act. Not exactly children that have exercised unsound judgment all their lives.

[The_Dude 1,142]

It is a very sticky issue. To be honest, its not about an amnesty, but making these folks prove their intent at being good citizens. A few pages back we had some interesting exchange on the idea of things like the DREAM Act. Not exactly children that have exercised unsound judgment all their lives.

The problem with the Dream act, is that it has fallen victim to the same affliction that every bill is subjected to, lobbying and compromise. None of this legislature will do any good until they are willing to address the real problem. I know it is harsh, but e-verify needs to be mandated for all employment.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

The problem with the Dream act, is that it has fallen victim to the same affliction that every bill is subjected to, lobbying and compromise. None of this legislature will do any good until they are willing to address the real problem. I know it is harsh, but e-verify needs to be mandated for all employment.

Add E-Verify to other publicly funded programs such as:

Welfare

Food Stamps

Medicaid

Public Schools

[The_Dude 1,142]

Add E-Verify to other publicly funded programs such as:

Welfare

Food Stamps

Medicaid

Public Schools

I always st op short at public schools and public safety. I think they should mandate e-verify, impose prohibitive fines for those who don't, and refine our entire immigration policy. However, every time you suggest mandating e-verify, you get both conservatives and liberals attacking you. The far left like to portray e-verify as some sort of racist villain, while the right like to portray e-verify as being anti-small business, or anti-free market.

[Zero Sum 305]

The problem with the Dream act, is that it has fallen victim to the same affliction that every bill is subjected to, lobbying and compromise. None of this legislature will do any good until they are willing to address the real problem. I know it is harsh, but e-verify needs to be mandated for all employment.

IMO its not harsh at all. We need to be firm at the border and enforcing our citizens' and residents' access to fair employment while preventing illegals from becoming tools for corporate profiteering. All the while allowing innocent bystanders to get a chance to contribute to the melting pot.

Add E-Verify to other publicly funded programs such as:

Welfare

Food Stamps

Medicaid

Public Schools

Educated, healthy illegal kids are better for the nation in the long-term, before and after they leave. But most forms of welfare? E-verify that.