Deported because parents came here Illegally

[Boiler 45,510]

So why did the wife abandon him and keep him from his children?

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Who is having such expectations of you????

What do you mean?..

His problem, illegal presence, has become our problem... WHY?

So why did the wife abandon him and keep him from his children?

Oh great, now we're gonna have to support his kids and it will be our fault if the wife finds them a "new Daddy"...

[Boiler 45,510]

You already have been.

[rika60607 215]

His problems became yours (whatever those problems might be) because US had (and has) ridiculously unprotected borders.

His problem, illegal presence, has become our problem... WHY?

Oh great was exactly my reaction... ship the daddy out and keep the mother and the 3 kids in - making them eligible for and needing all kinds of means tested benefits. Genius, pure genius!

Having sad that, I am sure you have a problem with supporting anyone's kids but yours, and it does not matter if these US citizen kids were fathered by an illegal or just by some poor chump who pays no child support.

Oh great, now we're gonna have to support his kids and it will be our fault if the wife finds them a "new Daddy"...

She did?

So why did the wife abandon him and keep him from his children?

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Oh great was exactly my reaction... ship the daddy out and keep the mother and the 3 kids in - making them eligible for and needing all kinds of means tested benefits. Genius, pure genius!

Having sad that, I am sure you have a problem with supporting anyone's kids but yours, and it does not matter if these US citizen kids were fathered by an illegal or just by some poor chump who pays no child support.

Does that make me a bad person?

I'm for personal responsibility. I don't ask you to feed my kids and I don't expect you to ask me to feed yours. Kids need something mom & dad can't afford then they should be able to turn to their family not steal if from their neighbors.

Yes I equal welfare to theft as I'm being forced to pick-up the slack or someone else. I've worked some pretty crappy jobs to put a roof over my kids' heads and food on their plates, why should I expect any less from others?

[rika60607 215]

I do not want to judge if this makes you a bad person or not.

Probably the best possible person would take personal responsibility to take care of their own and also would lend a hand to others.

I only wanted to point out that as the children are US citizens, it is pointless to be outraged over them being children of illegal father. It does not matter, as they could be orphans or just kids of poor parents. As long as they are US citizens it is evil to discriminate based on how many generations ago their ancestors came here.

The whole deport the illegal father (supposedly not a criminal) and let the illegal mother stay - that is BS. Either let it slide for both parents (as ICE has bigger fish to fry due to essentially open border) OR deport both parents and all the other of their relatives that can be found. Kids can stay (foster homes, legal relatives) or go with parents, it is up to the parents.

Does that make me a bad person?

[Dakine10 5,452]

I chose a little bit of embarrassment & inconvenience to prevent the really nasty punishment I was exposing myself to if I didn't choose to do it the legal way.

I would say the man in the story's choice involved a more than embarrassment and inconvenience. Are you suggesting that if you were this guy you would have made the choice to leave?

They both knew they were here illegally and they chose to roll the dice so they have no leeway to cry foul when it came up snake-eyes.

Until he made his choice he was a victim of his parents.

Now his kids are a victim of him & his wife.

I agree, but I understand why he was not able to make the choice to leave when he found out he was illegal at 17 yrs old. The choices he made after that of course, ultimately made things worse.

Why am I, the US Citizen or Legal Immigrant, expected to fix their bad choices?

The kids are USC's. They qualify for the same benefits as any other kids would in this situation. At the end of all that they will probably sponsor their fathers legal return to the US. A little bit of irony in all that.

[Boiler 45,510]

And they say there is no such thing as an anchor baby.

[Zero Sum 305]

I do not want to judge if this makes you a bad person or not.

Probably the best possible person would take personal responsibility to take care of their own and also would lend a hand to others.

I only wanted to point out that as the children are US citizens, it is pointless to be outraged over them being children of illegal father. It does not matter, as they could be orphans or just kids of poor parents. As long as they are US citizens it is evil to discriminate based on how many generations ago their ancestors came here.

The whole deport the illegal father (supposedly not a criminal) and let the illegal mother stay - that is BS. Either let it slide for both parents (as ICE has bigger fish to fry due to essentially open border) OR deport both parents and all the other of their relatives that can be found. Kids can stay (foster homes, legal relatives) or go with parents, it is up to the parents.

As of yet, being illegal isn't being a criminal. Contrary to what the more vociferous voices will yell about it. I know they want to change that, too.

[Boiler 45,510]

As of yet, being illegal isn't being a criminal. Contrary to what the more vociferous voices will yell about it. I know they want to change that, too.

Usually it is a civil offense, but it can be a criminal offense.

It is fairly unusual for it not to be associated with criminal offenses such as fraude, no DL, no Insurance etc etc.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Here is where I branch off a bit from most of the posters in this thread. I do support reforming immigration policy and US citizenship, where citizenship requires at least one parent to be a USC.

[Zero Sum 305]

Usually it is a civil offense, but it can be a criminal offense.

It is fairly unusual for it not to be associated with criminal offenses such as fraude, no DL, no Insurance etc etc.

The act itself isn't criminal, which is what I said. Illegals incarcerated in the US are put behind bars for criminal offenses, not for their status.

[Zero Sum 305]

Here is where I branch off a bit from most of the posters in this thread. I do support reforming immigration policy and US citizenship, where citizenship requires at least one parent to be a USC.

Makes sense in most cases to me. IMO my only exception to that would be in something like the DREAM Act- dealing with illegals that in one very palpable sense, are Americans in all but legal status. And that can come with a catch.

[Boiler 45,510]

The act itself isn't criminal, which is what I said. Illegals incarcerated in the US are put behind bars for criminal offenses, not for their status.

It can be.

No suggestion that it was in this case, seems like there were other criminal issues however.

[Dakine10 5,452]

And they say there is no such thing as an anchor baby.

The problem is whoever coined that term does not appear to understand the function of an anchor, and thus we end up with the misnomer.

A ship doesn't drop anchor so it can float out to sea for 10 years and return back to the same spot, the purpose of the anchor is to keep the ship in the same place.

Since the father has been deported it would seem "they" are correct. Not a very good anchor at all.