Social Security card

[eclowjpd 0]

My fiancee requested her social security card on one of the forms that went to the consulate. The card was suppose to arrive a couple weeks after her entry, but did not happen. We went to the local SS office. they said that she would have to apply for SS #. Waited about 4 hours to apply for SS card. The clerk said that it should arrive in two weeks.

I've seen other posts mentioning 2 weeks. Do they really arrive in two weeks? We need the SS# for obvious reasons.

[I'm Gone 60]

That's only for people age 18 or older that have been issued an immigrant visa and all types of K visas are nonimmigrant.

An individual with K-1 status applying for a work authorized SSN must present evidence at an SSA office to establish his or her age, identity and current lawful employment authorized status.

An individual needs to provide at least two documents as evidence to establish age, identity and current lawful employment authorized status.

SSA will not assign an SSN or issue a card to an individual that is within 14 days of his or her alien status expiring. Until the 76th day after entry an individual with K-1 status only needs to provide an unexpired I-94 showing current K-1 status to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

RM 00202.115 Form SS-5 Item 3 — Citizenship:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100202115

B. PROCEDURE - ANSWER TO ITEM 3

2. Legal Alien Allowed to Work

The applicant should check this block if he/she alleges to be a lawfully admitted alien with work authorization.

Once, an individual with K-1 status has been in the United States 76 days he or she will need another document, i.e. I-551, I-688B or I-766 to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

RM 00203.500 Employment Authorization for Nonimmigrants:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500#C1

RM 00203.410 Evidence of Alien Status for an SSN Card for an Alien Lawfully Admitted for Permanent Residence:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203410

Suggest that individuals apply for a corrected SSN card to update the SSN record when there has been a name change due to marriage.

The applicant may submit either:

-- One legal name change document showing both the old and new names

(e.g., a court order for a name change or a marriage document). The

document must also show either (1) a description or photograph of

the person or (2) biographical information that can be compared with

the Numident data; or

-- When the name change document does not show either a photograph of

the person or biographical information that can be compared with the

Numident data, then, in addition to the name change document, the

applicant must also submit two acceptable identity documents. One

of the submitted identity documents must show the old name (the name

on the latest SSN record) AND the other submitted identity

document must show the new name (the name to be shown on the

corrected SSN card). The identity documents submitted must show

either a photograph of the applicant or provide biographical

information that can be compared with the Numident (SSN record)

data.

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name (surname or family name) as her new last name. (EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may change her name to Jane Jones.)

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband’s last name, accept the marriage document as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even if the marriage document only shows each partner’s first names, the bride’s prior surname and husband’s surname.

Note: For a marriage document or marriage record to be acceptable as an identity document it must show, in addition to the applicant’s name, either the applicant’s age, date of birth or parents’ names and the marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the old and new names when it meets this standard.

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and Department of Homeland Security issue them in the person’s legal name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, SSA presumes the name on the immigration document is the legal name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

This is in addition to proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

You can find detailed information regarding changing SSN record (Numident) data on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

When requesting an SSN card, the documents presented, as evidence must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. SSA will not accept uncertified or notarized photocopies as evidence.

“If the applicant has no immediate need for the SSN and the translation can be done promptly or the foreign language document is the only evidence available; have the document translated by an authorized translator and use the document as evidence.”

“If the applicant has a pressing need for an SSN, and evidence other than the foreign language document is available; request other evidence and process the application without the foreign language document.”

RM 00203.040 Reviewing SSN Evidence:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203040#B3

GN 00301.340 Authorized Translators Defined:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0200301340

If a foreign-born person has the foreign birth certificate (BC) in his/her possession or can easily obtain a copy, he or she must submit it as proof of age. When a person is foreign-born, a BC may not exist, may not have been recorded shortly after birth, or the probative value of the document may not be high. In these situations, SSA can accept alternative evidence of age in order of probative value. The alternative evidence of age may be less than a year old, e.g., a DHS document or passport.

You can find detailed information regarding evidence that establishes age on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203110

The documents acceptable as evidence of identity are now based on three factors: (1) the applicant’s age, (2) the applicant’s citizenship/alien status, and (3) the relative probative value of documents.

Any document used to establish identity must meet the following criteria:

-- The document provides information the reviewer can compare with the

data on the form SS-5 (e.g., the person's name, as well as age, date

of birth, or parents' names) and/or

-- The document provides information the reviewer can compare with the

applicant (e.g., physical description, photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document should have the person's name as well as information that can be compared to the SSN record, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or parents' names).

However, the acceptability of an identity document must be evaluated on a case by case basis by the office processing the application, taking into consideration the applicant's situation and exploring what evidence is available for the person.

You can find detailed information regarding evidence that

establishes identity on the SSA Website at:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#E6

SSA will not accept an application filing receipt or notice of action as proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

Form SS-5, “Application for a Social Security Card,” is the appropriate form to request an original SSN and card or corrected card.

You can request Form SS-5 by calling our toll-free number, 1-800-772-1213 or it can be accessed on the SSA Website at:

http://www.ssa.gov/online/ss-5.html

Complete the Form SS-5 and take it along with the required documents, to the nearest Social Security office. Individuals age 12 or older applying for an original SSN and card must apply in person at one of our offices.

You can obtain the address and directions to the nearest Social Security office from the Social Security Office Locator, which is available on the Internet at:

http://www.ssa.gov/locator

Normally, an SSN card should be received in the mail within two weeks after the application and document(s) have been received and verified.

When an alien requests an SSN or replacement/corrected SSN card, SSA will verify his or her documents and current status with the appropriate Bureau of the Department of Homeland Security. If verification is not available through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) system, SSA will send Form G-845 for manual verification.

RM 00203.720 Verifying Immigration Documents:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203720

Note: If the applicant has changed his/her name after an immigration document, i.e. I-94, was issued, e.g., married and is now using the married name, but has not obtained a corrected immigration document showing the new name; this is not a name discrepancy for enumeration purposes, i.e. SAVE clearance, if the applicant can provide an acceptable legal name change document to establish the new name.

The 14 day status expiration limit for assigning an SSN and/or issuing a card applies even if an individual submitted his or her application before being within the 14 day period and entered the 14 day period while waiting for his or her status to be verified.

If the SSA office does send the G-845, suggest that you go back to the SSA office no more that once week with your documents to (1) ask them to check SAVE again (2) ask if they sent a G-845 (3) if yes, did it come back (4) after 30 days ask if they have followed up on the G-845 by calling or sending another mark “second request.”

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203735

RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE

You can try calling the SSA Regional Office if you have waited at least 30 days and your local SSA office doesn't seem to be concerned about following up on the G-845

http://www.ssa.gov/otherssasites/

Refer them to:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203740

RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS

Step 6

DHS should respond to SSA within 15 federal work days after receiving the Form G-845. If DHS does not respond within 15 federal work days from the receipt of the G-845 from SSA, follow-up with the DHS, USCIS Immigration Status office. (Allow 15 days plus five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS. Follow local practice to follow-up with DHS.

Some SSA offices have an arrangement with the DHS, USCIS office to telephone for the follow-up contact; other SSA offices send a copy of the original G-845 annotated “second request.”) If the DHS response is still not received within 15 federal work days after the follow-up contact (if the follow-up is by mail allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS), make a second follow-up contact. If the DHS response is not received within 15 federal workdays (again, if the follow-up is by mail, allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS), after two follow-ups, contact the Regional Office (RO). Also report to the RO any trend that shows a serious deviation by DHS from the above time frames. The RO will consult with central office.

All cards are mailed from Social Security Headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland to the postal address provided on the Form SS-5.

You may find additional SSN and employment information on the Internal Revenue Service Website at:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/intern...=129227,00.html

[C_S 0]

Although I was told I would receive my SSN in two weeks it arrived after 4 weeks.

Simonne

[jen&darcy 0]

Although I was told I would receive my SSN in two weeks it arrived after 4 weeks.

Simonne

This is my fear too because we can't get married here until we have that SSN#. I guess you can't plan anything.

[eclowjpd 0]

Today was two weeks and it's not arrived.

For the marriage license and driver's license we can use her passport and a utility bill. But will need it for other things.

[I'm Gone 60]

Today was two weeks and it's not arrived.

For the marriage license and driver's license we can use her passport and a utility bill. But will need it for other things.

About all she can do is go back to the office with her documents to see if she has been assigned an SSN. If she has been assigned an SSN the office can provide the number. If it's been over two weeks since the card was issued the office can reinput the application to issue a replacement card. She can request an SSN Verification Printout to give her some proof of her assigned SSN until she receives the replacement card.

If no SSN was assigned make sure that the application is still pending. I assume you have reference number from the application, should something like 0623012345 they can use that to check. Then have them check SAVE with her A# and I-94# to see if her status can be verified. If it can't ask if they have sent or when they will send a G-845 for manual verification.

Once the SSA office sends the G-845, suggest that she go back to the SSA office no more that once week with her documents to (1) ask them to check SAVE again (2) ask if they sent a G-845 (3) if yes, did it come back (4) after 30 days ask if they have followed up on the G-845 by calling or sending another mark “second request.”

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203735

RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE

She can try calling the SSA Regional Office if she has waited at least 30 days and your local SSA office doesn't seem to be concerned about following up on the G-845 or even sending one.

http://www.ssa.gov/otherssasites/

Refer them to:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203740

RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS

Step 6

DHS should respond to SSA within 15 federal work days after receiving the Form G-845. If DHS does not respond within 15 federal work days from the receipt of the G-845 from SSA, follow-up with the DHS, USCIS Immigration Status office. (Allow 15 days plus five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS. Follow local practice to follow-up with DHS.

Some SSA offices have an arrangement with the DHS, USCIS office to telephone for the follow-up contact; other SSA offices send a copy of the original G-845 annotated “second request.”) If the DHS response is still not received within 15 federal work days after the follow-up contact (if the follow-up is by mail allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS), make a second follow-up contact. If the DHS response is not received within 15 federal workdays (again, if the follow-up is by mail, allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from DHS), after two follow-ups, contact the Regional Office (RO). Also report to the RO any trend that shows a serious deviation by DHS from the above time frames. The RO will consult with central office.

Edited September 1, 2006 by mdyoung

[Craig2006 0]

We were told it would take 2 weeks and it arrived in 8 days. From reading other posts, it seems any where from 1-4 weeks is when it arrives. Hopefully you receive it soon.

[eclowjpd 0]

mdyoung

If we request a replacement and the one we applied for a couple weeks ago is just delayed and moving through their system, could requesting a replacement cause a problem? Should we wait a couple more weeks before requesting a replacement?

Thanks

Bill

Today was two weeks and it's not arrived.

For the marriage license and driver's license we can use her passport and a utility bill. But will need it for other things.

About all she can do is go back to the office with her documents to see if she has been assigned an SSN. If she has been assigned an SSN the office can provide the number. If it's been over two weeks since the card was issued the office can reinput the application to issue a replacement card. She can request an SSN Verification Printout to give her some proof of her assigned SSN until she receives the replacement card.

[NeonExile 0]

I waited over a month for mine. It wasn't Social Security who were at fault, rather USCIS (quelle surprise). Drop in at your local SS office and check how it's doing. They should be able to tell you exactly what's causing any delay.

[I'm Gone 60]

mdyoung

If we request a replacement and the one we applied for a couple weeks ago is just delayed and moving through their system, could requesting a replacement cause a problem? Should we wait a couple more weeks before requesting a replacement?

If you happen to get another application in while one is pending the system is going to flag the applications and neither is going to process until one is deleted. Why would you request a replacement and how could you request a replacement of something that hasn't been processed. When filing for a replacement card the application asks for your assigned SSN.

[*Robert* 2]

My fiancee requested her social security card on one of the forms that went to the consulate. The card was suppose to arrive a couple weeks after her entry, but did not happen. We went to the local SS office. they said that she would have to apply for SS #. Waited about 4 hours to apply for SS card. The clerk said that it should arrive in two weeks.

I've seen other posts mentioning 2 weeks. Do they really arrive in two weeks? We need the SS# for obvious reasons.

What form did you request a SSC on? The DS-230 Part II? That isn't a required form for the K-1 visa. I know of no other K-1 visa holders that were able to apply for a SSN at the consulate, only Immigrant Visa holders ad MDYoung already explained.

I doubt seriously that you ever applied for a SSN, and you need ot follow MDYoung's advice, and go to your SSA office. Your fiancee should be in the SAVE system by now, so she should be able to apply for a SSN. They will have her number the next day, and she will receive the card in 1 to 2 weeks (typically) in the mail.

Edited September 3, 2006 by roi_aggie

[eclowjpd 0]

mdyoung

"why would you request a replacement card" Because you suggested this in your second reply. Your replies are contradictory, but thanks for the advice.

mdyoung

If we request a replacement and the one we applied for a couple weeks ago is just delayed and moving through their system, could requesting a replacement cause a problem? Should we wait a couple more weeks before requesting a replacement?

If you happen to get another application in while one is pending the system is going to flag the applications and neither is going to process until one is deleted. Why would you request a replacement and how could you request a replacement of something that hasn't been processed. When filing for a replacement card the application asks for your assigned SSN.

Yes, we applied on the consulate form.

We already applied for the SSN at the SS office.

It was 2 weeks, last Thursday and it's not arrived.

My fiancee requested her social security card on one of the forms that went to the consulate. The card was suppose to arrive a couple weeks after her entry, but did not happen. We went to the local SS office. they said that she would have to apply for SS #. Waited about 4 hours to apply for SS card. The clerk said that it should arrive in two weeks.

I've seen other posts mentioning 2 weeks. Do they really arrive in two weeks? We need the SS# for obvious reasons.

What form did you request a SSC on? The DS-230 Part II? That isn't a required form for the K-1 visa. I know of no other K-1 visa holders that were able to apply for a SSN at the consulate, only Immigrant Visa holders ad MDYoung already explained.

I doubt seriously that you ever applied for a SSN, and you need ot follow MDYoung's advice, and go to your SSA office. Your fiancee should be in the SAVE system by now, so she should be able to apply for a SSN. They will have her number the next day, and she will receive the card in 1 to 2 weeks (typically) in the mail.

[I'm Gone 60]

mdyoung

"why would you request a replacement card"

Because you suggested this in your second reply. Your replies are contradictory, but thanks for the advice.

I just aswered the question you asked about filing an SSN application while one is pending.

She has only filed one SSN application at an SSA office, right?

If you are asking if filing another application while the one that was filed at the SSA office is pending will screw things up the answer is YES, if they would even take another.

If you are asking if the checking off on the DS-230 will affect the application she filed at the SSA office the answer is NO, because as I said before K-1s can't be assigned an SSN through the Enumeration At Entry process, so that info wouldn't have been transmitted to SSA.

[xjennyinstereox 0]

I have a quick question. I came to the US as a visitor from Canada, and fell in love with my long time friend who I was staying with while on vacation for the summer. We are now happily married and I am trying to get a SSN and EAD quickly. IT appears that without a K visa of any kind, I can't apply for a SSN and I believe I have to send out my I-765 with my I-485. Has anyone else here been in the same position? If so, how did you go about getting a SSN and how long did it take for the EAD to arrive?

I'm so clueless.. I've researched the USCIS website for hours and hours and still have no idea how I'm going to get an SSN soon and and EAD as well. Any help/info/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, and mdyoung, my local office is Baltimore too. Do you know if their processing times are quick?

Edited September 5, 2006 by xjennyinstereox