Is Abortion Morally Equivalent to Murdering Someone?

[Amby 490]

I fail to understand how the same people who condemn murder by terrorism condone murder in the womb. Is it because the fetus is anonymous, helpless, and has no friends that some think it's ok to kill it? Once a person is out of the womb, perhaps someone loves it and that makes it more human? How can that same healthy person be less worthy at 2.5 months gestation than it is in the nursery on its birth day? I don't get that kind of thinking.

because if it were to come out on its own at 2.5 months it would not be alive

[Sofiyya 1,687]

on the bright side, that means one can't get pregnant for 3 years

Well, actually you can get pregnant while pregnant. It's called superfetation. No joke.

because if it were to come out on its own at 2.5 months it would not be alive

That's simple biology, like, if you don't eat or drink, you won't live. It doesn't make someone less worthy, and it's not a good reason to commit murder.

[Amby 490]

well....if you don't eat or drink to keep yourself alive it's not murder

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Well, actually you can get pregnant while pregnant. It's called superfetation. No joke.

never heard of that until now. wow, someone's fertile!

[Amby 490]

oh and btw I don't really care. I think it's up to women to choose what's right for them. I'm not really trying to make an argument either way. I'm just bored and asking silly questions.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

well....if you don't eat or drink to keep yourself alive it's not murder

When you deliberately withdraw the environment a dependent fetus needs to develop, it's the same as withholding nourishment. The result is the same, it dies. That's murder.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

never heard of that until now. wow, someone's fertile!

It gets even better. There are some pretty famous cases where the children are twins, but are obviously of different races and had different fathers.

[Wayne and Claudia 40]

murder is murder and the mother should be charged with pre-meditated murder and sentenced to hard labor until death.

[The_Dude 1,142]

99% of Americans don't. That's a problem.

Yes it is, but it is still no excuse

I was sentenced to a prison term AND probation.

Well then you could have stayed in prison longer and avoided the probation. It's not unheard of.

So if they stripped me of my right to practice a religion of my choosing that would be OK with you? Even in jail folks are still allowed to choose their own religion. Hell, that's why we eat a lot of turkey and chicken.

Some crimes are pertinent to the greater public safety.

And what exactly is a criminal? Where do you draw the line as to who can and can't be trusted to exercise all of their rights?

Anyone who has been convicted of a crime is a criminal. Seems fairly straight forward to me. Where I draw the line is irrelevant. The law determines that people who have committed a crime that could endanger public safety have forfeited certain rights.

I never forfeited my rights at any time. They were stripped from me after a conviction.

Just because you don't understand why doesn't mean that it's not legal or constitutional.

I think your idea of a social contract is just a little bit off. Kind of sounds like you believe "criminals" are bad people and get what they deserve.

You really should look up what a social contract is. Are all criminals bad people? No, probably not. However, I would never trust a criminal. Most do get what they deserve, a prison sentence.

Once again, I'm on probation. I can't go to the Somali embassy so stop suggesting it.

I'm sure the Somali government would look beyond that.

[^_^ 5,021]

murder is murder and the mother should be charged with pre-meditated murder and sentenced to hard labor until death.

what about when 'fertilization' occurs in the fallopian tubes and not in the uterus? is the use of methotrexate to terminate the pregnancy murder?

[sandinista! 1,816]

genetic material is not considered a human life. DNA is the basis of all things, but by itself it is not life. wheat germ has DNA, strawberries have DNA...are we murdering wheat and strawberries when we harvest and eat them?

I never said genetic material = life, or that DNA itself is life. I was responding to

"I personally find "life begins at conception" to be just as absurd as "life begins at birth". The former implies that a bunch of cells is "human" "--while opinions can vary on personhood, and when that begins, the humanness of that genetic material isn't debatable. It's unmistakably human DNA in that zygote. Personhood has more fluid, subjective definitions than ** sapien-ness. Not sure what the rambling about strawberries and wheat germ is about, it's nothing to do with what I'm saying anyways.

[^_^ 5,021]

... the humanness of that genetic material isn't debatable. It's unmistakably human DNA in that zygote.

True enough. I don't have an answer to that beyond pointing out that if we give every fertilized mass of cells the dignity of being human, lots of women with ectopics will die because we won't be able to treat them anymore.

[sandinista! 1,816]

what about when 'fertilization' occurs in the fallopian tubes and not in the uterus? is the use of methotrexate to terminate the pregnancy murder?

I think you mean implantation. Fertilization is supposed to take place in Fallopian tubes, but not implant there.

[Wayne and Claudia 40]

what about when 'fertilization' occurs in the fallopian tubes and not in the uterus? is the use of methotrexate to terminate the pregnancy murder?

what part of "murder is murder" did you not understand?

[^_^ 5,021]

what part of "murder is murder" did you not understand?

ok so you don't really know what an ectopic is.

I think you mean implantation. Fertilization is supposed to take place in Fallopian tubes, but not implant there.

right, sorry.