Is Abortion Morally Equivalent to Murdering Someone?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

It's not illegal...and even if it were , it would not stop abortions from happening.

You're absolutely right. This society, this age did not invent abortion, and women will resort to unsafe and potentially life-threatening measures from to terminate a pregnancy. Pennyroyal tea, anyone?

[chri'stina 190]

Not everyone against abortion is going to personally attack someone who has had one. I am sure some might do that, but I wouldn't. So while it's not my intent to attack anyone who had one, my views alone could be offensive enough to a woman who has had an abortion.

Even during my marriage of 6 years, we never have allowed a risky situation where I could become pregnant when we weren't ready for a baby (or another baby) by not using whichever form we chose as contraception. I don't take birth control pills either. I don't want to be on hormones. I can see it's an easy thing to happen to people and I know many people who didn't plan on getting pregnant or think they would during a moment where some form of contraception was lacking, possibly the only time it was lacking in months, even. But it happens all the time to people. Though, sometimes options do fail-it's not always the fault of not using a method of birth control. I know people who were on birth control or had tubals and still got pregnant!

[tmma 467]

Totally off topic but I have to mention because you reminded me by saying "snip". One of my friends round the corner is getting to the age where the pill is not a safe option and she is allergic to latex....hmmmm.

Her and her hubby have a choice of either he gets snipped or she gets a tubal ligation.

He won't do the 15 minute snip!

She has to go into hospital as an inpatient for 2 days and get her tubes tied.....#######...yet he is the one who is completely against abortion on moral grounds. So why won't he get the snip to make sure they are not placed in a position to have to ' choose'?

I've hear this from afew women my age. Their hubbys don't want more kids, don't agree w/abortion BUT won't spend 15mins getting snipped.

* OMG I am so appreciative of Depo*...ooops tmi.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Not everyone against abortion is going to personally attack someone who has had one. I am sure some might do that, but I wouldn't. So while it's not my intent to attack anyone who had one, my views alone could be offensive enough to a woman who has had an abortion.

Even during my marriage of 6 years, we never have allowed a risky situation where I could become pregnant when we weren't ready for a baby (or another baby) by not using whichever form we chose as contraception. I don't take birth control pills either. I don't want to be on hormones. I can see it's an easy thing to happen to people and I know many people who didn't plan on getting pregnant or think they would during a moment where some form of contraception was lacking, possibly the only time it was lacking in months, even. But it happens all the time to people. Though, sometimes options do fail-it's not always the fault of not using a method of birth control. I know people who were on birth control or had tubals and still got pregnant!

Thanks -- that's very respectful of you, and although we disagree on abortion, I can still respect your right to disagree!

Also, I think your responsibility for your reproductive health is commendable. I wish my ex and I had been as diligent as you have been, because abortion is not a nice process, as you know. It's incredibly taxing on the body, and takes weeks to recover from. Contraception does fail, and yes, even tubals and vasectomies do too. Our bodies are set up to do this reproduction thing, and we need to take as much care as possible, and as much responsibility as you do, to prevent it from happening when we do not want it to occur.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Totally off topic but I have to mention because you reminded me by saying "snip". One of my friends round the corner is getting to the age where the pill is not a safe option and she is allergic to latex....hmmmm.

Her and her hubby have a choice of either he gets snipped or she gets a tubal ligation.

He won't do the 15 minute snip!

She has to go into hospital as an inpatient for 2 days and get her tubes tied.....#######...yet he is the one who is completely against abortion on moral grounds. So why won't he get the snip to make sure they are not placed in a position to have to ' choose'?

I've hear this from afew women my age. Their hubbys don't want more kids, don't agree w/abortion BUT won't spend 15mins getting snipped.

* OMG I am so appreciative of Depo*...ooops tmi.

Jealous about the Depo.

Yeah, I've heard the same from some friends who are starting to think about this. My brother made the decision at around the age of 35 that that was it, no more kids, after his two sons. He went and had a vasectomy, and he has no regrets. He did it because he knew how much harder it would be on my SIL's body to have a tubal ligation and then recover from it. My boyfriend was similarly aged -- he has never wanted kids, and around 38 or 39 he just did it so he'd never have to think about it again. Both were told by their doctors to think about what might happen if circumstances changed -- if my brother divorced his wife, or if my boyfriend met some special lady...

[The_Dude 1,142]

Not everyone against abortion is going to personally attack someone who has had one. I am sure some might do that, but I wouldn't. So while it's not my intent to attack anyone who had one, my views alone could be offensive enough to a woman who has had an abortion.

Even during my marriage of 6 years, we never have allowed a risky situation where I could become pregnant when we weren't ready for a baby (or another baby) by not using whichever form we chose as contraception. I don't take birth control pills either. I don't want to be on hormones. I can see it's an easy thing to happen to people and I know many people who didn't plan on getting pregnant or think they would during a moment where some form of contraception was lacking, possibly the only time it was lacking in months, even. But it happens all the time to people. Though, sometimes options do fail-it's not always the fault of not using a method of birth control. I know people who were on birth control or had tubals and still got pregnant!

I don't know that I have ever read a post from you that could be construed as a personal attack. You have always been respectful to me, even when I am not. I try not to be offensive to people of faith, but sometimes it just comes off that way. I don't have a problem with their beliefs or dogma. My problem is with the religious nature of most anti-abortion arguments, and the inability to use the legal definition of murder. Death is death, but not all death is murder. I don't like that a religious morality is imposed upon everyone.

[Amby 490]

that'll be interesting

How old would that child be now?

DO you ever look at a kid that age and wonder... what if?

nope. I never even think about it unless there's an abortion conversation. it wasn't a hard decision. a mistake was made and I fixed it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

nope. I never even think about it unless there's an abortion conversation. it wasn't a hard decision. a mistake was made and I fixed it.

But a very classy move on your part Danno to ask.

[Danno 1,228]

nope. I never even think about it unless there's an abortion conversation. it wasn't a hard decision. a mistake was made and I fixed it.

Wasn't even a hard decision?

My friend has a Cousin who had like 4 or 5 abortions, she explained to us it was like getting a tooth pulled.

[Amby 490]

Wasn't even a hard decision?

My friend has a Cousin who had like 4 or 5 abortions, she explained to us it was like getting a tooth pulled.

well it's not like that. I know I've seen on tv programs where people go back and forth on if they should do it or not, but it wasn't like that for me. as soon as I found out I was pregnant I knew that I was soooo not ready to be a parent. that's what I meant by it wasn't a hard decision.

when you go to have an abortion you have to speak to a counselor who makes sure you know all your options and makes sure that the decision is your own. what I found interesting when I was there was the people who were in tears or clutching an ultrasound photo. it's like these people wanted a child but knew they couldn't afford it or weren't ready or something. it was kinda bizarre to me. I felt if they were really that upset about it before they even did it then maybe they should reconsider.

and the thing is...I love kids, but I'm perfectly happy taking my family member's kids to do stuff. I do not want kids of my own. I like my life how it is.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Totally off topic but I have to mention because you reminded me by saying "snip". One of my friends round the corner is getting to the age where the pill is not a safe option and she is allergic to latex....hmmmm.

Her and her hubby have a choice of either he gets snipped or she gets a tubal ligation.

He won't do the 15 minute snip!

She has to go into hospital as an inpatient for 2 days and get her tubes tied.....#######...yet he is the one who is completely against abortion on moral grounds. So why won't he get the snip to make sure they are not placed in a position to have to ' choose'?

I've hear this from afew women my age. Their hubbys don't want more kids, don't agree w/abortion BUT won't spend 15mins getting snipped.

* OMG I am so appreciative of Depo*...ooops tmi.

He doesn't like frozen peas?

[tmma 467]

He doesn't like frozen peas?

I guess he doesn't have the balls to do it....

[ sorry, I know that's lame, I just couldn't resist]

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

* OMG I am so appreciative of Depo*...ooops tmi.

That's been working for the wife, the last three years. She likes not having the monthly visitor. She just had her three year gyno exam, and she only gets two more years on the Depo, before she has to take a break. I offered to get the snip, and she was shocked, until I explained what the end result would be, or rather, not be.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I guess he doesn't have the balls to do it....

[ sorry, I know that's lame, I just couldn't resist]

[_Simpson_ 250]

Should. How about reality instead of what "should" happen.

Yes the reality of it is that having a abortion is looked at as a safety net, sad. I'm all about hope and change bro.

Why does the dude have no choice in this?

He should have a vote.

The baby is always that the mercy of dumb parents, whether that means growing up in poverty, turning into a felon, reproducing future losers, etc. It's a no win. At least abortion reduces the numbers a little.

Abortions being a means of reducing the amount of stupid people in America will never be a option to me. I think the stupid parents need to be punished not the kids. Also poverty doesnt equal miserable life.

So who pays?

Usually the taxpayers. Hardly a argument for abortion.

Almost all of which include tax dollars. That's what I have a problem with. To me abortion isn't a morality issue it's a simple economic issue. Can't pay for kids? Don't have them. Period.

Its a morality issue with me.

So you want to make the babies pay by living with stupid parents and then becoming stupid people too? You're making society pay as well because they tend to breed faster than everyone else. Ever seen Idiocracy?

How about we set up a society that is more focused on adoptions.

####### Kathryn, how is that a personal attack? Any inference made by the reader is purely their own. I was swayed by Simpsons articulate and rational argument.

Rob no need to blame me for you lack of self control.