The Anti-Science Party

[luckytxn 2,265]

soooo...ummm...everyone knows that science can't actually "prove" anything...right? no one has ever actually said this on here but I can elaborate if anyone cares

Well I tend to think that science proving the earth was not flat was pretty good. And also when it was proven that earth was not the center of the universe. That is two things.

[faust-yusov 103]

Cite please.

Einstein once stated he was opposed to Quantum Mechanics, as he thought God would not have created the universe as a "####### shoot".

A solid enough account: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

soooo...ummm...everyone knows that science can't actually "prove" anything...right? no one has ever actually said this on here but I can elaborate if anyone cares

+1 There are models, and there are models, and then there are models...

[faust-yusov 103]

I will need to see a citation that says so few scientists are non believers and a link will do. And not just one society where there are just one out of a thousand scientists belong to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

A solid enough account: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html

From your cite, he was hardly an Atheist, although possibly a Pantheist.

“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment.”

Edited February 1, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[luckytxn 2,265]

http://www.telegraph...eve-in-God.html

Read it. The Royal society that answered the survey said there were few that believed in God. What about the ones that refused to answer the quiz. Also very few actually belong to the society. I asked for links that show proof that shows most scientists are non believers. I have been around many in my life and have maybe met one that was an atheist. Most of them would never answer a quiz that moronic anyway but I am sure the one atheist would have for sure answered it and even have gone so far as to paid extra postage to make sure it arrived and speedily.

[luckytxn 2,265]

From your cite, he was hardly an Atheist, although possibly a Pantheist.

I have to get going and work a couple of hours but even Darwins son said his father was religious. The citation never said he was a non believer. Just that he didn't think God was a reward and damnation type of guy.

Also Einstein was a Jewish advocate and was even offered the first Premiership of Israel but he didn't want to leave New Jersey and felt he was too old.

Edited February 1, 2011 by luckytxn

[faust-yusov 103]

From your cite, he was hardly an Atheist, although possibly a Pantheist.

He aligns his "position on God" (as articulated in the second sentence) with agnostics, not the nature of his belief.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

Quotes such as this, and describing himself as a "deeply religious nonbeliever", leads me to believe that he was an atheist with a penchant for using religious terminology when discussing the greater mechanics of the universe. The matter is however subjective and as I've stated I don't find appeals to authority a particularly satisfactory line of argument.

[faust-yusov 103]

Read it. The Royal society that answered the survey said there were few that believed in God. What about the ones that refused to answer the quiz. Also very few actually belong to the society. I asked for links that show proof that shows most scientists are non believers. I have been around many in my life and have maybe met one that was an atheist. Most of them would never answer a quiz that moronic anyway but I am sure the one atheist would have for sure answered it and even have gone so far as to paid extra postage to make sure it arrived and speedily.

Around 23 per cent responded from the Royal Society. Supposedly that's a good figure for this kind of study.

I don't have a similar statistic for the US. Find it yourself.

[luckytxn 2,265]

"In my most extreme fluctuations," wrote Charles Darwin towards the end of his life in a letter quoted in the Times Online, "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God."

Of course this was in his own words.

Edited February 1, 2011 by luckytxn

[Amby 490]

Please do. Start with subjects beginning with A.....

or I can just explain it in my amby's simple all over the place science lecture. I'm on my phone so sorry for the all the lowercase stuff.

sooo...there's theories, laws, hypotheses. technically science never "proves" anything. science either supports or falsifies things.

discovery science is just based on observation (and lots of data analysis). we all know the law of gravity because we see it. we throw something up in the air and it comes back down. it works like that every time.

so after we discover things we begin to question them and come up with theories about god or religion or whatever. even though we can come up with theories that lead to new testable hypotheses, science can't support or falsify supernatural stuff because supernatural stuff is outside the bounds of science.

as technology improves, we're able to discover new things and some of those things change laws or falsify previous hypotheses.

supernatural things aren't the only things science doesn't say anything about. science doesn't have anything to say about ethics either.

[The_Dude 1,142]

or I can just explain it in my amby's simple all over the place science lecture. I'm on my phone so sorry for the all the lowercase stuff.

sooo...there's theories, laws, hypotheses. technically science never "proves" anything. science either supports or falsifies things.

discovery science is just based on observation (and lots of data analysis). we all know the law of gravity because we see it. we throw something up in the air and it comes back down. it works like that every time.

so after we discover things we begin to question them and come up with theories about god or religion or whatever. even though we can come up with theories that lead to new testable hypotheses, science can't support or falsify supernatural stuff because supernatural stuff is outside the bounds of science.

as technology improves, we're able to discover new things and some of those things change laws or falsify previous hypotheses.

supernatural things aren't the only things science doesn't say anything about. science doesn't have anything to say about ethics either.

Please do continue, I am fascinated by aardvarks and all the science stuff about them.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Around 23 per cent responded from the Royal Society. Supposedly that's a good figure for this kind of study.

I don't have a similar statistic for the US. Find it yourself.

I am not the one making a non factual statement so it is one you to find the links. I know that most scientists are believers myself. You are the one making the sweeping statement. Of course I know you will never find anything to prove what you said.

Edited February 1, 2011 by luckytxn

[faust-yusov 103]

"In my most extreme fluctuations," wrote Charles Darwin towards the end of his life in a letter quoted in the Times Online, "I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God."

Of course this was in his own words.

I pointed out that to call Darwin "religious" was misleading, given his long and well-documented struggle with faith.

I did not say that he was an atheist.

Edited February 1, 2011 by faust-yusov

[luckytxn 2,265]

I pointed out that to call Darwin "religious" was misleading, given his long and well-documented struggle with faith.

I did not say that he was an atheist.

Ok then.