Naturalization and kids

[NickD 203]

Also it says that minors under age 16 must apply in person. Which means she cant go anywhere until we get all the papers done

Yet another complication for getting a passport for an under 18 years of age child, is getting permission by the other biological parent or their death certificate.

[vitamin 0]

Yet another complication for getting a passport for an under 18 years of age child, is getting permission by the other biological parent or their death certificate.

Does it have to be notarized too?

[vitamin 0]

Yet another complication for getting a passport for an under 18 years of age child, is getting permission by the other biological parent or their death certificate.

My daughter's biological father lives in Russia,does it mean he have to send it all the way over here? Other that translated,does it have to be notarized too? If so,can it be notarized by a regular notary in Russia or it have to be a US consulate notary?

[NickD 203]

My daughter's biological father lives in Russia,does it mean he have to send it all the way over here? Other that translated,does it have to be notarized too? If so,can it be notarized by a regular notary in Russia or it have to be a US consulate notary?

You have to check with your consulate on that, wifes' country only wants a letter with that biological parents' signature on it.

Even in the USA, major source of kidnapping kids is done by the other biological parent, I even needed a letter from my ex, even though I was given full custody of my natural born daughter, to take her to Disneyworld. And that wasn't even leaving the country.

My stepdaughters father refuse to sign for her passport, but would b!tch that we wouldn't let her visit him, what a nut that guy is. But even if he did sign, she could enter her home country, but could not leave without another current letter showing the exact flight number and date before they would let her leave. She just had to stay here until she reached 18 years of age. In her case, it was five years before she could visit her grandma.

This seemed crazy to me, because we had a court ordered document where he relinquished all rights to his daughter, he was happy to sign that in lieu of having to make child support payments. But that document was worthless in getting her a passport. And was told if she did travel to her home country, would need yet another letter of permission from him to leave. Even though he was no longer a current citizen of that country. He moved to another country.

Also amazes me, her home country can't even take care of the children they have, most are living in severe poverty, should be thankful someone is at least taking good care of that child. Not good living in a world where all the leaders are idiots.

[bonnerbonner 6]

You can work around it temporarily by getting her passport when you are sending yours in. A passport is a form of ID to prove citizenship. But technically I think you SHOULD get the N600. You can get her passport b4 filing the N600. I have friends who did it that way. Not sure if its a right or wrong way though.

[Mountain Climber 186]

Can the children apply for US passports along with the naturalized parent (only the parent will have a Naturalization Certificate)? It seems this would be the easiest way since all supporting documents could be submitted together.

If the court ordered custodial parent was allowed to bring the children to the US, why would they need permission from the other biological parent to get a US passport?

Edited January 27, 2011 by Mountain Climber

[NickD 203]

Can the children apply for US passports along with the naturalized parent (only the parent will have a Naturalization Certificate)? It seems this would be the easiest way since all supporting documents could be submitted together.

If the court ordered custodial parent was allowed to bring the children to the US, why would they need permission from the other biological parent to get a US passport?

This is from the US Passport application instructions, I am not an attorney, so my interpretation of the law may not be correct:

:SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CHILDREN

• AS DIRECTED BY PUBLIC LAW 106–113 AND 22 CFR 51.28:

To submit an application for a child under age 16 both parents or the child’s legal guardian(s) must appear

and present the following:

• Evidence of the child’s U.S. citizenship,

• Evidence of the child’s relationship to parents/guardian(s), AND

• Parental/guardian identification.

IF ONLY ONE PARENT APPEARS YOU MUST ALSO SUBMIT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:

• Second parent’s notarized written statement consenting to passport issuance for the child,

• Primary evidence of sole authority to apply, OR

• A written statement (made under penalty of perjury) explaining the second parent’s unavailability.

• AS DIRECTED BY REGULATION 22 CFR 51.21 and 51.28:

Each minor child applying for a passport book and/or passport card must appear in person."

Mistaken my wifes' home country for the USA, see this only applies to children under the age of 16, not 18, her country is 18. Then I learned that I am not a parent, but a stepdad.

Then you are not only dealing with the USA, but the country you are going to as well with minor children. Like when my stepdaughters' passport was good, with could visit practically any country we chose, except her home country, there, she would have required permission from her other biological parent to leave, but she could enter without problems.

But every country is different! With the US passport, suggest you go to your local agent and get the correct answers and find out what they need. And the other thing is to contact the consulate of the country you are visiting for that biological other parent permission to leave the country giving the precise age of the child. A dead giveaway is that, pardon my language, that god-damned place of birth they put in your US passport. I am so fed up with this. But would be terrible to visit your home country and enter okay, but then find out, you cannot leave with your child.

[Mountain Climber 186]

This is from the US Passport application instructions, I am not an attorney, so my interpretation of the law may not be correct:

:SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CHILDREN

• AS DIRECTED BY PUBLIC LAW 106–113 AND 22 CFR 51.28:

To submit an application for a child under age 16 both parents or the child's legal guardian(s) must appear

and present the following:

• Evidence of the child's U.S. citizenship,

• Evidence of the child's relationship to parents/guardian(s), AND

• Parental/guardian identification.

IF ONLY ONE PARENT APPEARS YOU MUST ALSO SUBMIT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:

• Second parent's notarized written statement consenting to passport issuance for the child,

• Primary evidence of sole authority to apply, OR

• A written statement (made under penalty of perjury) explaining the second parent's unavailability.

• AS DIRECTED BY REGULATION 22 CFR 51.21 and 51.28:

Each minor child applying for a passport book and/or passport card must appear in person."

Mistaken my wifes' home country for the USA, see this only applies to children under the age of 16, not 18, her country is 18. Then I learned that I am not a parent, but a stepdad.

Then you are not only dealing with the USA, but the country you are going to as well with minor children. Like when my stepdaughters' passport was good, with could visit practically any country we chose, except her home country, there, she would have required permission from her other biological parent to leave, but she could enter without problems.

But every country is different! With the US passport, suggest you go to your local agent and get the correct answers and find out what they need. And the other thing is to contact the consulate of the country you are visiting for that biological other parent permission to leave the country giving the precise age of the child. A dead giveaway is that, pardon my language, that god-damned place of birth they put in your US passport. I am so fed up with this. But would be terrible to visit your home country and enter okay, but then find out, you cannot leave with your child.

I am assuming the requirement of "primary evidence of sole authority to apply" is the court document granting full custody of the children to their mother. This document was issued by the Thai court and allowed mom to legally leave her country with her kids. This document was required by USCIS before they issued their K2 visas.

I guess when the time comes, I will do as you suggested and contact the local passport office for up to date requirements.

Thanks for the info.

Edited January 28, 2011 by Mountain Climber

[Canadiandggal 49]

I am assuming the requirement of "primary evidence of sole authority to apply" is the court document granting full custody of the children to their mother. This document was issued by the Thai court and allowed mom to legally leave her country with her kids. This document was required by USCIS before they issued their K2 visas.

I guess when the time comes, I will do as you suggested and contact the local passport office for up to date requirements.

Thanks for the info.

Someone let me know if this works... LOL I just got to the states but I am already looking into

what I will need when I do citzenship for myself in 3 years and want to get my son a passport. His father is a dead beat and has been taken to court twice once for sole custody and the second time for a court order to move my son to the USA. On the first order I do have a part that says The respondents( consent for the applicant to obtain the childs passport and to travel oustide of Canada for Vacation Is hereby dispensed with.

For his Canadian passport I do not need his signature

Edited February 6, 2011 by Canadiandggal

[NickD 203]

Someone let me know if this works... LOL I just got to the states but I am already looking into

what I will need when I do citzenship for myself in 3 years and want to get my son a passport. His father is a dead beat and has been taken to court twice once for sole custody and the second time for a court order to move my son to the USA. On the first order I do have a part that says The respondents( consent for the applicant to obtain the childs passport and to travel oustide of Canada for Vacation Is hereby dispensed with.

For his Canadian passport I do not need his signature

I do see some exceptions to that "other" parents signature.

"IF ONLY ONE PARENT APPEARS YOU MUST ALSO SUBMIT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:

• Second parent's notarized written statement consenting to passport issuance for the child,

• Primary evidence of sole authority to apply, OR

• A written statement (made under penalty of perjury) explaining the second parent's unavailability.

• AS DIRECTED BY REGULATION 22 CFR 51.21 and 51.28:

Each minor child applying for a passport book and/or passport card must appear in person."

I assume the primary evidence of sole authority means the applicant parent does have full custody of the child. OR, will accept a written statement as to the unavailability of that deadbeat spouse.

So looks like there is some leeway here. Wife had to get a full court order signed and fingerprinted by her ex to bring her daughter here. But that wasn't enough for Venezuela, she also needed his permission for his daughter to board the plane with the exact date and flight number. She did manage to bypass that requirement, not having to deal with that deadbeat again, and managed to get a court order for her daughter to board. But that was very expensive. And likewise, we were refused a renewed passport for her by the Venezuelan consulate without his written permission, again. Then would need that again, if we could take her to Venezuela, she could enter, but not leave, again, without his permission, even though he no longer lives in that country.

But then there is that place of birth on your US passport, may be a problem if entering your place of birth country. Did let my wife in with a solemn oath and promise, she would reinstate her Colombian place of birth. We started the process while we were down there. They apparently flagged her, as when leaving they demanded to see her application, we had that. But can only wonder what would happen if we didn't make that major effort. Wondered if the US Embassy in Bogota would help us leave, she is a US citizen. That remains to be seen. While in that country, you are subject to the laws of that country, can get complicated.

[Canadiandggal 49]

Today I had to go pick up a certified letter for my husband (as his agent).

When I was there I decided to ask, I know I still have three years but figured what the heck.

I asked how I would get around having to have my sons father sign the passport etc and explain the whole immigrated etc.

She asked me If I had full custody and I said well sole custody . She said Do you have this in a document, I said yes I have

custody court order. She said well that is all you need.

I said thanks and off i went.

[NickD 203]

Today I had to go pick up a certified letter for my husband (as his agent).

When I was there I decided to ask, I know I still have three years but figured what the heck.

I asked how I would get around having to have my sons father sign the passport etc and explain the whole immigrated etc.

She asked me If I had full custody and I said well sole custody . She said Do you have this in a document, I said yes I have

custody court order. She said well that is all you need.

I said thanks and off i went.

That is great news, wish Venezuela was that way, but don't have to be concerned anymore, stepdaughter is already over 21 years of age. Where did that time go? She's asking the same question, when 13, took an eternity to reach 16 so she could start driving. Today, she is sick of driving, LOL.