Shout Out Loud Or It Will Get Much WORSE

[payxibka 10,047]

I am moving this thread as the topic is not about discussing the process & procedure in getting a K-1 visa but rather more general in nature about the status of the USCIS

[BenjAshley 7]

I am glad to hear that. In other words, you will give patience a try, and when patience runs out, you will seek more coercive ways of getting what you are entitled to. Sounds like a good plan to me.

I have a job somewhat like yours. I am a Vice President in a small manufacturing company. I make it a point to NEVER tell a customer that he will have a delivery faster than I can get it to him and then make excuses when it doesn't happen. If giving him a realistic delivery date means losing business to the competition, it is better than upsetting a customer by not coming through on the delivery date and getting a reputation for doing such a thing. And guess what: I hardly ever lose an order over a delivery date, often being told by a customer that he is giving me the order specifically because he knows he can depend on the date I give him being kept.

Being realistic and square with people earns you credibility and respect. It is too bad USCIS doesn't know the first thing about it.

I totally agree! 'Never Promise what you cannot Deliver', 'the customer is king' and 'sell what you say you are going to sell' are my 3 mottos i give my sales staff!

[Gocka 17]

Just one correction, you couldn't "run across the border with your spouse and then apply".

You would need to enter on a visa or VWP and have a status to adjust from to be able to adjust status, see the logic?

If you EWI (Enter Without Inspection) you would have no chance to AOS.

Actually Columbo you can, I know people who have done it and its not all that hard. Once the person is in they have no clue that the person is here. You apply for the visa just as you normally would put down all the person info from there country of origin and then when it gets approved you go back do your interview and come back legally. If you apply for a marriage visa you dont even have to leave you can apply while the person is here. I can count at least 10 families that I know personally that have entered illegaly by overstaying visas and ended up with a green card in the end. Maybe brush up on the fact checking skills. Nice to know you were quick to make up when you were out numbered.

[Gocka 17]

Wow.

That's some serious bitterness you are carrying around with you.

Well, yohino, our friend Gocko seems to have more a case of rage than common sense.

Haha sorry not bitter at all, I have nothing to be bitter about. My fiance will get approuved no problem. I am just proving a point and I do no wish harm I would just like it revoked so then the same question can be asked to you, of course you can have your spouse back. Im not a monster . That was more rhetorical. I feel that if those with that point of view had been denied the "privilege" they would be more inclined to believe it is a right, Even when mine gets approved I will still believe it is my right and will continue to believe so for those who have no yet gotten thiers.

[Gocka 17]

I figured that one out at page three, so this time I figured I'd just correct the indisputable facts, not that I wasn't doing the same before with the rights/privilege part.

Oh stop whining already, bit of a hipocrit arent we? You practically switched sides when everyone ganged up on you and now that this side of the argument is speaking your right back at it but just the other day you were a UN peace keeper. Typical western european loves to point fingers but does everything that they tell others not to.

[Gocka 17]

USCIS won't, but your consulate may come very, very close. As some perspective, the wait for the NOA2 (mine was 6+ months, and it nearly drove me cuckoo) can pale beside what may be in store for you when your consulate extends its tentacles. After that part of it, returning to dealing with USCIS (for AOS, and now ROC) was a blessed relief.

heh I know it was a joke. I was just poiting out how much info they ask of you for this but If i tryed to smuggle some odd package into the country and told them its full of cupcakes id get a thumbs up and get to walk on through with no questions asked. At this point id even submit a sex tape to speed things along a bit haha

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Actually Columbo you can, I know people who have done it and its not all that hard. Once the person is in they have no clue that the person is here. You apply for the visa just as you normally would put down all the person info from there country of origin and then when it gets approved you go back do your interview and come back legally. If you apply for a marriage visa you dont even have to leave you can apply while the person is here. I can count at least 10 families that I know personally that have entered illegaly by overstaying visas and ended up with a green card in the end. Maybe brush up on the fact checking skills. Nice to know you were quick to make up when you were out numbered.

You're talking about two entirely different things. Entering illegally and entering with a visa are not the same thing. Someone who enters illegally cannot adjust status even if they marry a US citizen. There are a few exceptions - asylum (rarely granted), refugee (rarely granted), extreme cruelty or abuse by USC or LPR spouse (difficult to prove). There's also section 245(i), but you'd need to have the immigrant visa petition submitted before April, 2001. Entering illegally, technically called "entering without inspection", means entering without a visa or going through an immigration processing station; e.g., walking across the border.

Someone who enters with a visa and overstays can adjust status if they are an immediate relative of a US citizen. They didn't enter illegally. They were unlawfully present when their authorized stay expires.

[rika60607 215]

One can not enter illegally AND overstay a visa on the same trip, not typically

Overstay is forgiven to a spouse of the USC, but illegal entry is not. True, if illegal crossed the border again to get out of the US without getting caught and returned legally with a visa, that could work. That scenario though still requires the wait, the expense and the risk of being denied.

Actually Columbo you can, I know people who have done it and its not all that hard. Once the person is in they have no clue that the person is here. You apply for the visa just as you normally would put down all the person info from there country of origin and then when it gets approved you go back do your interview and come back legally. If you apply for a marriage visa you dont even have to leave you can apply while the person is here. I can count at least 10 families that I know personally that have entered illegaly by overstaying visas and ended up with a green card in the end. Maybe brush up on the fact checking skills. Nice to know you were quick to make up when you were out numbered.

[Gocka 17]

Believe me I can tell you from expirience I have family members and close friends who have doe things in an illegal manner, in many cases it is faster and easier then this. Once your in the US we are one of the worst countries in the world at getting you out. What we are good as is keeping a supposed "strict" face infront of those who try to enter legally. Anyone who goes through this process would think my god its impossible to get past all this, but in reality our imigration system is total #######. It only looks strict to those going through official channels, to those who enter ilegally or overstay, not so much. I know plenty of people who are ilegaly here and own a house a car have a job thier kids go to college and have cars and licenses and the works. On top of that most of them live here for 20 30 40 years and never hear a word from the goverment about anything, I have a family member who has a family and his been here with out papers since 1980! Haha come on give me a break and we you try and do things the right way its a different story.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Believe me I can tell you from expirience I have family members and close friends who have doe things in an illegal manner, in many cases it is faster and easier then this. Once your in the US we are one of the worst countries in the world at getting you out. What we are good as is keeping a supposed "strict" face infront of those who try to enter legally. Anyone who goes through this process would think my god its impossible to get past all this, but in reality our imigration system is total #######. It only looks strict to those going through official channels, to those who enter ilegally or overstay, not so much. I know plenty of people who are ilegaly here and own a house a car have a job thier kids go to college and have cars and licenses and the works. On top of that most of them live here for 20 30 40 years and never hear a word from the goverment about anything, I have a family member who has a family and his been here with out papers since 1980! Haha come on give me a break and we you try and do things the right way its a different story.

No one here illegally has a job that they are paying income tax on, because they don't have social security numbers.

No one here illegally has a house they own. Their spouse might but they just live there.

No one here illegally has a driver license. I don't buy that for one minute.

There kids might go to school and go to college, but that's not the alien.

"Being here without papers since 1980" doesn't mean the alien entered the country illegally. There are thousands and thousands of aliens who came in on the visa waiver or who came on some other visa and never left. They are out of status and subject to removal if caught, but if they marry a USC they can file to adjust their status and become permanent residents. The people you know may not have done that. But that's not the same as "walking across the border". In fact I invite you to fly your fiance to Mexico, smuggle her illegally across the border, and marry her. Then try to adjust her status to permanent resident.

Then you really will be crying the blues.

Edited January 25, 2011 by Rebecca Jo

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Haha sorry not bitter at all, I have nothing to be bitter about. My fiance will get approuved no problem. I am just proving a point and I do no wish harm I would just like it revoked so then the same question can be asked to you, of course you can have your spouse back. Im not a monster . That was more rhetorical. I feel that if those with that point of view had been denied the "privilege" they would be more inclined to believe it is a right, Even when mine gets approved I will still believe it is my right and will continue to believe so for those who have no yet gotten thiers.

To wish ill of anyone around here, that the visa for their loved one never be granted, is really really low. Believe me I've had my share of disagreements with people around here, but I would never wish that on them. Not even as a joke.

In fact there have been some folks around here who I've really really really argued with, but we worked on their cases together and resolved our dispute with each other. It's much better to wish people well around here, at least as far as their cases go.

You go right ahead and believe it is your right to bring a foreign spouse to the US. Little kids believe in Santa. Both beliefs are grounded on the same plot of reality.

[yohino 22]

Actually Columbo you can, I know people who have done it and its not all that hard. Once the person is in they have no clue that the person is here. You apply for the visa just as you normally would put down all the person info from there country of origin and then when it gets approved you go back do your interview and come back legally. If you apply for a marriage visa you dont even have to leave you can apply while the person is here. I can count at least 10 families that I know personally that have entered illegaly by overstaying visas and ended up with a green card in the end. Maybe brush up on the fact checking skills. Nice to know you were quick to make up when you were out numbered.

Bold part, so they did enter on a visa, yes?

So they didn't EWI? And AOS'd? Where did I say you couldn't do that? (and you can't enter illegal and then have a visa to overstay)

And I was talking about AOS from within the US, said nothing about people applying for visas hopping back across the border to their country to go to an interview.

Please, point out where my statement was wrong!

And about switching sides?

I'v mainly been posting facts, which you keep shutting down with nothing to back it up with but ill-wishes to other people.

I'm still of the opinion that something needs to change with the USCIS system of not letting us know anything about our case while it's pending and that they need to be accountable for their service.

Please, again, show me where I'v been saying anything different!

Edited January 25, 2011 by yohino

[wshc 46]

You go right ahead and believe it is your right to bring a foreign spouse to the US. Little kids believe in Santa. Both beliefs are grounded on the same plot of reality.

If it is a privilege and not a right, then that means that it can also be denied for reasons such as a quota is full. The spouse does not have an education or is literate. There background is not spotless or maybe they must pass a certain test. These things go along with qualifying to be granted that privilege. Driving is a privilege and if you get enough negative points they take that privilege away.

A right is much different and cannot be taken away that easily. Of course we all know that no one would be denied spousal immigration based on any of the above reasons. That is because it is a right, and the only reason that a spouse can be denied is for serious grievances and violations for lack of a better word that merit the denial of that right.

Think of one reason that bringing a spouse to the states can be denied and then think how serious that reason has to be before being denied your right to bring a foreign spouse to the US.

Please don't confuse privileges with rights. We always say "we have the right to vote, so we exercise that privilege." We all have the right to bring a foreign spouse to the US, and we exercise that undeniable right and privilege when we use the immigration process. The immigration process cannot hinder that right, but we must play by their rules to enjoy that privilege.

This is not a play on words, but it is important that people realize it is a right. When you think it is a privilege and the government is doing you a favor is the time that you will start to tolerate their problems with the system and say you just need more patience, turning their shortcomings in to yourself and accepting second best. In the US you dont need to accept second best, especially when you are the customer.

Edited January 25, 2011 by wshc

[Amy and Nick 37]

And somehow this has turned into a debate on the English language. Pull up a chair!

[wshc 46]

And somehow this has turned into a debate on the English language. Pull up a chair!