More than a million (illegal) immigrants land U.S. jobs

[Ban Hammer 13,498]

It's not really part of this discussion, but Baby Bush, Cheney and Obama have more blood on their hands and are responsible for more deaths then all the mass murders in US prisons combined. It has nothing to do with partisanship; it's about wars for profit at the expensive of human lives.

Nobody would attack the US if every single US soldier would withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. On the contrary, the moment we stop shooting at their people and discontinue guiding drones into their schools and hospitals, they will hate us less.

Guess I'm a pacifist as well.

Go Kucinich!

i'm sure you have a bang up peace plan for palenstine and israel too.

[Captain Oates 911]

It's not really part of this discussion, but Baby Bush, Cheney and Obama have more blood on their hands and are responsible for more deaths then all the mass murders in US prisons combined. It has nothing to do with partisanship; it's about wars for profit at the expensive of human lives.

Nobody would attack the US if every single US soldier would withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. On the contrary, the moment we stop shooting at their people and discontinue guiding drones into their schools and hospitals, they will hate us less.

Guess I'm a pacifist as well.

Go Kucinich!

It's ironic that the US public is up in arms over Michael Vick setting one dog against another to have them fight and injure or kill each other - but then they set 150,000 American kids against a similar number of Afghan kids and tell them to maim each other and fight to the death in order to... errr errr um...ah yes ! - to stop 150 Arabs coming back into the country. This is despite said Arabs having moved to other countries which are nearer the action and are far better bases anyway.

It's further irony that Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano was sent to Afghanistan last week in order to tell the Afghans just how to secure their borders to prevent hordes of aliens crossing into the country illegally !

Whoever said the Americans can't appreciate irony is clearly wrong

[Pooky 3,827]

It's further irony that Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano was sent to Afghanistan last week in order to tell the Afghans just how to secure their borders to prevent hordes of aliens crossing into the country illegally !

Whoever said the Americans can't appreciate irony is clearly wrong

This administration certainly can't.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

I don't know why this discussion is now taking a new direction, but I'll play along.

We talk about defense spending, which is necessary, as the USA, as the big and desirable country it is, needs to be prepared to defend itself in case we are attacked. On top of this, if anywhere in the world something horrible goes on, like genocide in Somalia or wherever, and the United Nations or the NATO asks all its members to contribute to put an end to this massacre, I am all for sending US troops in.

Had we, after 9/11, followed Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell and pushed him right over the door step, I wouldn't have had a problem with that either. Yet Baby Bush, like Cheney a draft dodger, allowed members of the Bin Laden clan to take off in a private jet to Saudi Arabia, despite the generally "no flight" bar that was in place.

He then attacked Iraq to be true to his word to the olde Bush, to help Cheney's company Haliburton, and its private subsidiary Blackwater.

Now we're in Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and still in Iraq, and for what? To defend the USA? To bring liberation to the savages? To keep the defense industry going? You tell me!

And, was all of the $1,000,000,000.00 + we spent in Afghanistan alone, plus the countless lives lost, really worth it, or had we been better off spending this money on the American people and the US's crumbling infrastructure?

Are we safer today because of Iraq and Afghanistan?

I personally don't think so. I believe from the bottom of my heart that the US's invention and putting its d*ck in about everything causes the mostly Muslim-controlled countries to hate us. They wouldn't like us in any case, but they hate us more if we bomb the sh*t out of them, kill civilians, even children, for what reason exactly? To find the 100 or so Al Queda members who are . . . uhhh . . . somewhere?

I know some people I really don't like. Some of them did horrible things to me when I was young. Luckily, I stopped hating them because so much time has passed. Yet if one of them would show up in my life again, all of the sudden, f*cks with me, I'm sure I couldn' t resist using the opportunity to pay 'em back.

Defense should be just that: being prepared to defend this country in case of an attack, as it was the case with Pearl Harbor or 9/11. But that was a decade ago, and I doubt that anybody will be able to repeat that, even if we would withdraw from any and all wars tomorrow and focus on improving homeland security and the needs of the American people instead.

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... if anywhere in the world something horrible goes on, like genocide in Somalia or wherever, and the United Nations or the NATO asks all its members to contribute to put an end to this massacre, I am all for sending US troops in.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

[Captain Oates 911]

I thought they wanted to attack us because they hate freedom and not because the place is desirable. I have never quite got my head around this idea that they want to attack us because we are free ? It must make sense to the majority or the government wouldn't say it.

We are attacking them because we hate curry and goats - and not because Afghanistan is desirable

In fact the majority of the USA is desolate badland and the vast majority of the population live within a couple of hundred miles of the coast where they are subjected to harsh continental climates

If the Afghans or Chinese or Romulans or Klingons or whoever we are supposed to be scared of, wanted a nice country to invade because it is nicer than theirs, why don't they they attack the South of France or the Greek Islands ?

Perhaps it's Walmart they envy ? They have seen the photos online !

Edited January 25, 2011 by Alan the Red

[james&olya 1,121]

In fact the majority of the USA is desolate badland and the vast majority of the population live within a couple of hundred miles of the coast where they are subjected to harsh continental climates

[james&olya 1,121]

In fact the majority of the USA is desolate badland and the vast majority of the population live within a couple of hundred miles of the coast where they are subjected to harsh continental climates

Really Alan, you need to get out more! What you say is decidedly not true of much of the 'interior' of the US. Have you ever visited the upper great lakes area for instance? I am quite certain it would never be defined as desolate by anyone who has spent time here! You should be more careful in what you say if you want to avoid needlessly pxxxing people off who otherwise might sometimes agree with you.

[peejay 327]

Really Alan, you need to get out more! What you say is decidedly not true of much of the 'interior' of the US. Have you ever visited the upper great lakes area for instance? I am quite certain it would never be defined as desolate by anyone who has spent time here! You should be more careful in what you say if you want to avoid needlessly pxxxing people off who otherwise might sometimes agree with you.

I don't agree with a large chunk of it already, so I say "let it fly" and let the chips fall where they may.

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If the Afghans or Chinese or Romulans or Klingons or whoever we are supposed to be scared of, wanted a nice country to invade because it is nicer than theirs, why don't they they attack the South of France or the Greek Islands ?

Perhaps it's Walmart they envy ? They have seen the photos online !