What's Vermont's excuse now for not approving NOA2s?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I know I'm going to regret asking this question, but I can't seem to stop myself...

How, exactly, is USCIS making a mockery of your relationship?

[Ally & Rach 24]

I know I'm going to regret asking this question, but I can't seem to stop myself...

How, exactly, is USCIS making a mockery of your relationship?

If I were to have the power to walk up to a staff member of USCIS and say.. "hey, you're engaged, congratulations, oh but by the way Ive decided you can't be with them for at least 5 months and maybe a lot longer" wouldn't that be making a mockery of a lifetime commitment.. just my opinion..

[KiwiBird 132]

So they are just 'deciding' to hold our petitions for five months? Here I was thinking they were workinn on a backlog. If I had known they were sitting around 'deciding' how long to make people wait just because they can, I would have been upset about it.

They aren't 'deciding' that five months would be the amount of time they are going to 'make us wait'. It just takes that long to get to us. How is that a mockery?

Haven't any of you guys done paperwork processing as a job? If You're overwhelmed and cant get it all done in a single day, you do what you can and come back to it the next day. That forces you to prioritize them. When your boss says, "These are to be done first" you listen and do those first. Does that mean you are mocking the ones you didnlt get to that day?

And I really wish people would stop bashing the uscis workers as if they have a choice. They are Just doing what their boss tells them. They are not brainstorming lies or how long to make you wait. They are not laughing at the wait. They are doing what they are told. And that goes for the phone center people, too. Even though they are in a completely different category of employment at uscis.

A 'mockery'? Really?

[Al422 221]

Yes, really. They are deciding to make you wait. They decide that every time they work on a petition not involving a U.S. citizen, knowing for a fact that their decision wil cause a U.S. citizen to wait.

U.S. citizens come first. No ifs, ands, buts or maybes. We come first, end of story.

Any alien who doesn't like it can go to a different country.

[Ally & Rach 24]

So they are just 'deciding' to hold our petitions for five months? Here I was thinking they were workinn on a backlog. If I had known they were sitting around 'deciding' how long to make people wait just because they can, I would have been upset about it.

They aren't 'deciding' that five months would be the amount of time they are going to 'make us wait'. It just takes that long to get to us. How is that a mockery?

Haven't any of you guys done paperwork processing as a job? If You're overwhelmed and cant get it all done in a single day, you do what you can and come back to it the next day. That forces you to prioritize them. When your boss says, "These are to be done first" you listen and do those first. Does that mean you are mocking the ones you didnlt get to that day?

And I really wish people would stop bashing the uscis workers as if they have a choice. They are Just doing what their boss tells them. They are not brainstorming lies or how long to make you wait. They are not laughing at the wait. They are doing what they are told. And that goes for the phone center people, too. Even though they are in a completely different category of employment at uscis.

A 'mockery'? Really?

Listen Im not here to debate.. This site is meant for support.. If you are happy to wait indefinately that is entirely your choice.. If you don't think the system is flawed its entirely your opinion but please don't berrate others for feeling otherwise.. all the very best to you..

[KiwiBird 132]

Where am I berrating anyone? I'm asking for an explanation for a term used. And not once did I say the system was not flawed. I just thinking a lot of people are bashing workers that are not to blame.

And Al, I don't think you will ever understand that these officers are not 'choosing'. They are following orders given by a superior. I certainly don't fault them for that. To me, that is like blaming the soldiers for doing what the General tells them to do. Fault the General if you'd like, but it is not the soldier's decision. There are serious consequences deliberately disobeying the orders of a superior.

Edited January 22, 2011 by KiwiBird

[mckay76 11]

Even though I agree that being pessimistic in a journey only complicates situation, I hardly can hear the words of critisism from people whose a) journey complete b) the phase "NOA2" complete c) got tht phase done in 2-3 months

We all probably need to divert our thoughts from this process, as I find it rather unfair and upseting...

couldn't agree with you more on this one

[Al422 221]

Kiwi, I am going to tell you the same thing I told Coconuts: I like you and think you are a nice person, even though we disagree on a lot of things.

You never once attacked me or insulted me, and neither did Coconuts. Others did. Most of them did not attack hard enough to hurt me since I am thick skinned, but a few of them got through.

I do like having both of you here (and Kathryn as well), as a bunch of people who agree with me make for very boring conversation, and people who personally attack me say nothing intelligent enough for me to respond to.

That being said, as for your last post, yes I realize that not everybody in VSC is choosing to delay my petition. I don't know who is choosing it since VSC's operation is about as secretive as the KGB. The only thing I know about it is that the person making that choice is not me. SOMEBODY inside that ivory tower is making that choice; therefore there is evil going on in there. Maybe it is not going on with everybody, and maybe it is only going on with one person, but it is gong on. SOMEBODY inside that ivory tower is blocking me from being with my bride.

Is it the adjudicators? Probably not, but possibly so. I have heard of cases of an adjudicator going on vacation and leaving a box of petitions on his desk to sit and rot for two weeks because he could not be bothered putting it back on the shelf before he left. That is not likely, but the possibility is not zero either.

Is it his supervisor? That is a good possibility.

Or is it that lying sack of s*** that stood before the cameras and boldly announced that VSC has no backlog? As for him, when he goes before the Appropriations committee, I hope they choke the daylights out of him.

Since I can't point the finger at any one person but know it is SOMEBODY in USCIS, I blame USCIS.

[qaz_j 0]

Can't speak for anyone else, but my fiance's country isn't exactly the lap of luxury.That's the problem with picking winners in the immigration policy; it should be who is next in line.

[Andy and Kayla 45]

Kiwi and Coconuts, I love you both.

I have AI's posts blocked so I can only see responses, but if you really think that USCIS is deliberately holding onto your petition just to mess with your day, that they're ruining your life one holiday at a time and that they're making a "mockery" of your relationship, I don't know what to say. Can we be more dramatic, here?

I've said it in other threads but I think it bears repeating that keeping a positive attitude and accepting that there is backlog right now and there isn't a lot we can do about it is NOT the same thing as approving of the way things are being done. I think it's terrible to give people a timeline, step outside of it and not give any real answers. Even if it's an answer I won't like, I would appreciate someone levelling with me. I'm angered on behalf of everyone who's over their 5 month mark. I think the system needs to severely reformed or at the very least, the service centers and field offices could use a bit of redistribution in terms of what gets processed where. Having said that, being dramatic and paranoid on VisaJourney all day and every day is not going to change the way the immigration system works. Refreshing Igor's List (which is at times helpful but not a solid resource overall) a million times a day is not going to revolutionize the service centers. Refusing to drive myself insane over something that I know will eventually get here does not mean I approve of it; it just means I know what is and what is not within my power right now.

VSC is backlogged (I know AI keeps mentioning the director of USCIS in that video, which, FTR was recorded in October and the backlog was nothing like what it is now so the claim that there wasn't a backlog on behalf of the director isn't completely outrageous - compared to how the service centers have been in the past, things in October weren't so bad at all and I suspect it's all relative to someone in that position) and poorly organized. They need to be reformed. They need to find and enforce better communication with the public. They are not a group of sadistic dictators playing God with our I-129f petitions just because they can. It's like some of you think that in Vermont there are a bunch of guys in suits laughing maniacally in their cubicles as they adjudicate everyone's petition but yours, reveling in just how miserable they know they're making you. It's crazy and it's a sign that it may be time to step back from this website for a few days.

I can be dramatic at times, but holding that sort of attitude about the whole thing is downright silly.

Stay positive, friends.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

If I were to have the power to walk up to a staff member of USCIS and say.. "hey, you're engaged, congratulations, oh but by the way Ive decided you can't be with them for at least 5 months and maybe a lot longer" wouldn't that be making a mockery of a lifetime commitment.. just my opinion..

No. I'm not a citizen of the United States. I happened to fall in love with one. I do not have any right whatsoever to be brought to the United States. Luckily, I have the privilege of my fiance being able to ask if I can be. I don't for one minute take this privilege for granted. Also, I don't believe they are just sitting on their butts "deciding" to take five months or more. Making a mockery of my relationship? Absolutely not. They're the ones who are actually letting me apply to make my relationship work.

Edited January 22, 2011 by Coconuts

[KiwiBird 132]

I think a few people here somehow believe that choosing Haitian TPS visas over Fiance visas means they must hate us or love them. I am of the belief that choosing to process one visa first does not reflect on how the 'USCIS' feels about either group. I don't feel the USCIS warrants labels such as 'evil' or 'uncaring' just because they made a choice as to which paper to work on first.

If your house was burning down and your two kids were inside.. one kid is in a room unaffected by fire right now, but the other kid is in a room half filled with fire... Are you uncaring or evil for choosing to help the one in a more desperate and immediate lfe threatening situation first? Does it even reflect on your feelings for either child or mean you are playing favorites for just picking one first, especially since you will be helping them both eventually? (Just that one get dragged out of the house first before you go back to help the other.)

Now a burning house analogy may be a little different in that Haitians are not in burning rooms... but they might be risking their lives by returning to Haiti.

Edited January 23, 2011 by KiwiBird

[FawkThisSite 13]

I can't seem to find this video with the USCIS Director in it... Can someone please link me to this?...

[cedwards001 18]

I think a few people here somehow believe that choosing Haitian TPS visas over Fiance visas means they must hate us or love them. I am of the belief that choosing to process one visa first does not reflect on how the 'USCIS' feels about either group. I don't feel the USCIS warrants labels such as 'evil' or 'uncaring' just because they made a choice as to which paper to work on first.

If your house was burning down and your two kids were inside.. one kid is in a room unaffected by fire right now, but the other kid is in a room half filled with fire... Are you uncaring or evil for choosing to help the one in a more desperate and immediate lfe threatening situation first? Does it even reflect on your feelings for either child or mean you are playing favorites for just picking one first, especially since you will be helping them both eventually? (Just that one get dragged out of the house first before you go back to help the other.)

Now a burning house analogy may be a little different in that Haitians are not in burning rooms... but they might be risking their lives by returning to Haiti.

Actually, I think you used a very good analogy and I am glad you brought that point up

Here is the problem I have with it though:

I said before that my fiance lived in a very corrupt communist country her entire life.....Vietnam. Not just Vietnam, but Northern Vietnam which maintained it's communist ideologies far more then the south. She lived in extreme poverty and crime (in terms of theft and fraud). Things got so hectic for her that she now fears that going back to her home town will cause her to get kidnapped or murdered. To make matters worse, Vietnam gets hit by Typhoons (known as Hurricanes by us) from time to time. Lots of people have been known to die or loose their homes due to the violent winds and floods. Heck, the Philippines gets hit by Typhoons almost every single year and thousands suffer as a result of it. Not once have I ever seen the USCIS expedite petitions from Vietnam or even the Philippines because of these disasters. I could be wrong about it, but I never saw it myself. Let me give an example: The northern Philippines were hit by Super Typhoon Megi in October 2010. This thing hit land with winds over 150 mph. Just think about that for a second. 150mph winds. Anybody that has gone through a big hurricane, like myself, knows how devastating these monsters of nature can be.

My questions become:

Where was the petition expedite for the Philippines after Super Typhoon Megi devastated the area in 2010?

Where was the petition expedite for Vietnam when Tropical Storm Mindulle and Typhoon Conson flooded northern Vietnam for days and days in 2010? Didn't these people suffer natural disasters as well? Why is Haiti more important then other countries? Remember, these are poor countries that are not equipped to handle natural disasters very well.

This has nothing to do with who is suffering in the world and has everything to do with the USCIS thumping their big Super Man chest in front of the world. If the USCIS really cared about suffering, they would expedite cases from ALOT of 3rd world countries from all around the world.

Edited January 23, 2011 by cedwards001

[Milushka 22]

To give papers to those who had to be deported (illegal residents in USA of Haitian nationality) and prioritise their cases is not a humanitarian mission, its idiotism.