Philly Doctor Facing 8 Counts Of Murder

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yep, except the part where the women mentioned in the story are castigated for making a poor decision for reasons that noone can claim to understand that had such a dire outcome.

Late term abortion should be legal under a very limited range of circumstances, as it may well be already. Quack doctors like the one described in the article should be closed down and made example of.

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Late term abortion should be legal under a very limited range of circumstances, as it may well be already.

What kind of circumstances do you have in mind?

[Fandango 1,439]

Late term abortions should never be legal. Ever.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Offhand, situations where the child would have catastrophic physical defects, or put the mothers life at risk.

[Fandango 1,439]

Yep, except the part where the women mentioned in the story are castigated for making a poor decision for reasons that noone can claim to understand that had such a dire outcome.

Late term abortion should be legal under a very limited range of circumstances, as it may well be already. Quack doctors like the one described in the article should be closed down and made example of.

I'm not saying all those mentioned in the article are guilty, but the ones who submitted to an abortion at 30 weeks most definitely are. Shame on them. And no, I don't care about any of the bog standard 'socio-economic' excuses either. 30 weeks? That could be a viable human being. That, without getting into the whole debate of 'abortion/murder/age of fetus' should go without saying.

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Offhand, situations where the child would have catastrophic physical defects, or put the mothers life at risk.

Physical defects are apparent by week 20. There is little reason to wait till the third trimester.

As for mothers life, yes. I have read that there are rare circumstances where a baby can not be delivered without putting the mothers life at risk, even in the third trimester. These are medical decisions best made by the doctor and the patient. Political demagoguery really shouldn't play into it.

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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Physical defects are apparent by week 20. There is little reason to wait till the third trimester.

As for mothers life, yes. I have read that there are rare circumstances where a baby can not be delivered without putting the mothers life at risk, even in the third trimester. These are medical decisions best made by the doctor and the patient. Political demagoguery really shouldn't play into it.

I agree it should be a matter of what is practical. People get sensitive about abortion because they bring ideology into it, politics shouldn't be a consideration.

As to the individuals in the story, the doctor was doing something illegal and criminally negligent. In the absence of specific information, he is more at fault that the women, one of whom was 14. I don't know why they waited, but i would guess perhaps that they hadn't followed a prenatal care programme. Who knows

Edited January 24, 2011 by Ron Burgundy

[Fandango 1,439]

I agree it should be a matter of what is practical. People get sensitive about abortion because they bring ideology into it, politics shouldn't be a consideration.

As to the individuals in the story, the doctor was doing something illegal and criminally negligent. In the absence of specific information, he is more at fault that the women, one of whom was 14. I don't know why they waited, but i would guess perhaps that they hadn't followed a prenatal care programme. Who knows

Of course the doctor was, and I never said who was 'more' at fault...

the 14 year old had a great aunt who paid almost 3 grand for her grand niece to kill her child. They are both complicit to the murder.

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I don't know why they waited, but i would guess perhaps that they hadn't followed a prenatal care programme. Who knows

Possibly. I do hear all the time of women who show up at the hospital to give birth, having not had a single appointment with a doctor up to that point. And I've read of women online who didn't even know they were pregnant till it pops out on prom night and falls into the ladies room trash can.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course the doctor was, and I never said who was 'more' at fault...

the 14 year old had a great aunt who paid almost 3 grand for her grand niece to kill her child. They are both complicit to the murder.

A 14 year old isn't complicit in anything, she's a minor. I don't dispute that the outcome was less than ideal.

I am not willing to condemn the women on the basis of a vague news story. The alleged events are shocking and if guilty the doctor should be jailed. Generally, jailing women for having abortions, whether late term or not, is a dodgy precedent.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Possibly. I do hear all the time of women who show up at the hospital to give birth, having not had a single appointment with a doctor up to that point. And I've read of women online who didn't even know they were pregnant till it pops out on prom night and falls into the ladies room trash can.

Yeah it's a murky area. I've heard that too, but i think the larger issue is of a lack of education and social / familial support. Especially in the sort of brutal climate that the us health system engenders.

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Especially in the sort of brutal climate that the us health system engenders.

It was brutal to you because you were a male with a job. There are tons of government programs out there for lower income pregnant women. And private insurance is great for pregnancy. They will mess with a cancer patient but they seem very unwilling to mess with a pregnant woman.

[The_Dude 1,142]

It was brutal to you because you were a male with a job. There are tons of government programs out there for lower income pregnant women. And private insurance is great for pregnancy. They will mess with a cancer patient but they seem very unwilling to mess with a pregnant woman.

They learned that lesson long ago. Don't ** with senior citizens' prescriptions or pregnant women, you'll lose.