Experts say that barring the unexpected, Democrats will win control of the U.S. House of Representatives in November

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Barring an unexpected and big event, Democrats will win control of the U.S. House of Representatives in November and conceivably the Senate, too.

If the Democrats do take over it will be because of anti- Republican/anti-Bush votes, not Pro-Democrat votes.

That's how most things work in this country. The Republicans took control of Congress and the Presidency because people were fed up with Democrats not because the country had suddenly turned Republican. About 40% of Americans do consider themselves to be politically independents, after all. Of course, they might also be the people who don't vote...

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Some other threads today were talking about hope, and this thread has given me my first glimmer of it so far. I really hope this is true. If not, I'm going to lose faith in Americans.

if you're looking for hope, here it is.

hope

[Heracles 417]

The whole idea is they are unified by their politics. What don't you understand?

The unified part... Don't the democrats stand for ultra freedom of speech and expression of thoughts?? You know; civil rights for gay whales and lets not forget about the bi-bears now... type of people...

Its just a big contradiction to sell that liberal ####### to ignorant and naive, aka head in the sky, fools yet throw someone out the second they have an opposing view.. Or is that how the neo-communist/ spread the wealth socialists Nazi left does things in the US..

[Alex+R 0]

The whole idea is they are unified by their politics. What don't you understand?

The unified part... Don't the democrats stand for ultra freedom of speech and expression of thoughts?? You know; civil rights for gay whales and lets not forget about the bi-bears now... type of people...

Its just a big contradiction to sell that liberal ####### to ignorant and naive, aka head in the sky, fools yet throw someone out the second they have an opposing view.. Or is that how the neo-communist/ spread the wealth socialists Nazi left does things in the US..

Infidel, I've figured it out. Nobody could possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be. Just be yourself.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

I'll bet ya before election time, they will find Bin Ladden, they might know where he's hiding, same as the iraqi fellow. Talking about Christian values, all those people that got killed in Iraq and afghanistan( Oil Pipeline) so the oilman in Texas and the white house can get Richer, while the family of those soldiers mourn the lost of their children, died for for WHAT?

Whatever happen with Bill with Monica under his desk was a private matter, call it a sin but that sin didn't kill people.

Time for a Regime change here in Washington

Start with the House, Congress, then the white house at election time.

Well if Billy boy hadn't wasted time maybe Bin ladden would have been caught earlier. What year did bush come into office?? What year did sept 11 occur?

PS. Sep 11 was planned numerous years earlier, that is during the time democrats were in office..

Does it really matter? Both parties deserve equal blame when it comes to 9/11. However, the last 6 years, the Republicans were almost exclusively in control of the country, and it's not as if things have dramatically improved since then, neither in terms of national security nor in terms of living standards in the US. In a democracy that means it's time for a change.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Does it really matter? Both parties deserve equal blame when it comes to 9/11. However, the last 6 years, the Republicans were almost exclusively in control of the country, and it's not as if things have dramatically improved since then, neither in terms of national security nor in terms of living standards in the US. In a democracy that means it's time for a change.

Indeed. No point voting for a party when the system itself is fundamentally corrupt.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

...the last 6 years, the Republicans were almost exclusively in control of the country, and it's not as if things have dramatically improved since then..

They say all politics is local, I take it one step further and say all politics is personal. The Bush years have been the best years, professionally speaking, of my short life. Do I think Bush gets the credit for that? No. But does the charge that America isn't doing well resonate with people like me? Not at all. I'm doing well, everyone I know is doing well. My neighborhood has never looked better. My town is growing at faster rate than I've ever seen it grow. Where I stand, things look very good.

[Alex+R 0]

Does it really matter? Both parties deserve equal blame when it comes to 9/11. However, the last 6 years, the Republicans were almost exclusively in control of the country, and it's not as if things have dramatically improved since then, neither in terms of national security nor in terms of living standards in the US. In a democracy that means it's time for a change.

Indeed. No point voting for a party when the system itself is fundamentally corrupt.

erekose, are you fundamentally against voting?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My neighborhood has never looked better. My town is growing at faster rate than I've ever seen it grow. Where I stand, things look very good.

But is that because of, or in spite of GWB?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

My neighborhood has never looked better. My town is growing at faster rate than I've ever seen it grow. Where I stand, things look very good.

But is that because of, or in spite of GWB?

Who knows? More to the point, what does it matter?

My point is that the Democrat charge that America isn't doing well will not resonate with a large segment of Americans. People trust what they see in their communities. What I see in in my community is good.

[Heracles 417]

But is that because of, or in spite of GWB?

It definitely wouldn't be in spite of GWB. If democrats had their way they would probably build public housing in every affluent neighbourhood there is..

PS People have to use a little common sense and realize that this is one man who can't possibly be held responsible for everything..

Infidel, I've figured it out. Nobody could possibly be as stupid as you pretend to be. Just be yourself.

Maybe you should provide your 'words of wisdow' on how not to be stupid..

Edited August 28, 2006 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

My neighborhood has never looked better. My town is growing at faster rate than I've ever seen it grow. Where I stand, things look very good.

But is that because of, or in spite of GWB?

Who knows? More to the point, what does it matter?

My point is that the Democrat charge that America isn't doing well will not resonate with a large segment of Americans. People trust what they see in their communities. What I see in in my community is good.

Which is essentially to suggest that people are ultimately selfish - certainly true.

Explains apathetic attitudes towards certain political issues - don't worry about the government sending our soldiers to give their lives in questionable wars in distant countries, nothing gets someone off their ####### and down to the polling booth quicker than the government threatening to take more of their money.

BTW - You must live in a relatively nice area of NJ. Where I live the roads (for example) are in an atrocious condition, barely surfaced and are full of pot holes. Wherever my taxes go - its not in improving the general infrastructure.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

I guess one of the "unexpected" is of Dems doing internecine shenanigans (such as shooting off incumbent Joe Liebermann--it's generally a voter's job to tell the incumbent to leave, not the party's).

:lol:

How can one vote for a part who throws their own people out just because they have a different point of view??? The democrats are starting to sound like the early communists and NAZIs...

So the party which 'apparently' stands for the extreme freedoms and liberalization of speech cannot stand someone disagreeing or having an opposing view to theirs, even if it's one of their own members...

The whole idea is they are unified by their politics. What don't you understand?

I remember the Tories (Canadian) trying that in 1990. Tossed out two sitting MP's who were against GST which Baloney was trying to railroad on Canada (he eventually did by adding more Senators). Results:

• due to Baloney's many shenanigans (especially Meech aka "mooch" Lake), Tories went from majority down to TWO total seats in 1993
  
• one of the tossouts, David Kilgour, returned in in-power (Liberal, under Chretien) party, while other (Alex Kindy) lost to Reformer
  

How do you like THAT for an example?

For erekose, you may think you have a point--simplest method is to vote by emotions (meaning, "if you're angry at one party, vote its opponent").

[Fischkoepfin 1]

...the last 6 years, the Republicans were almost exclusively in control of the country, and it's not as if things have dramatically improved since then..

They say all politics is local, I take it one step further and say all politics is personal. The Bush years have been the best years, professionally speaking, of my short life. Do I think Bush gets the credit for that? No. But does the charge that America isn't doing well resonate with people like me? Not at all. I'm doing well, everyone I know is doing well. My neighborhood has never looked better. My town is growing at faster rate than I've ever seen it grow. Where I stand, things look very good.

I agree with you that politics is mainly personal and I think there is a number of people who would draw similar conclusions from their personal lives. My experience and the experience of the people I know suggests the opposite, though. Same seems to be true for other groups in the population. Of course, there's no reason to believe that your or my experience is going to change if the Democrats win this fall.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It definitely wouldn't be in spite of GWB. If democrats had their way they would probably build public housing in every affluent neighbourhood there is..

Well there's a separate issue there - the lack of affordable housing for people on low incomes that do not rise with the rate of inflation is a significant problem not only in the US, but the UK also. Unless you know different.

PS People have to use a little common sense and realize that this is one man who can't possibly be held responsible for everything..

Never said he was - but he is the highest representative of the administration. After all, who do corporate shareholders blame when a company's profits go down the $hitter? Buck stops where again?

Perhaps they should change the Republican Party logo to an eight pointed star of chaos to remind people where to point the finger of blame?