4 shots to the chest from a jogger

[LaL 418]

not magical at all - aim center mass and shoot until target is neutralized (i.e. horizontal)

Yeah if the perp was standing still in the darkness!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Here it's no darker at midnight than it is at 9pm. Most places have electric street lights. You'd have to be insane to run in complete darkness.

[LaL 418]

Here it's no darker at midnight than it is at 9pm. Most places have electric street lights. You'd have to be insane to run in complete darkness.

A majority of the streets around Tampa don't have streetlights lighting things up. Heck I was *in* Tampa and the streets to my house weren't lit.

[Ban Hammer 13,429]

Yeah if the perp was standing still in the darkness!

you can still see a faint outline - but that's about the extent of the details one can see at that hour without any additional illumination.

yes, you can engage a target moving on foot at night with some measure of success.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wow not even gaslight, how modern

Seriously, it's stupidity to run in complete darkness. The guy is lucky he didn't trip over and blue his own nuts off.

[LaL 418]

you can still see a faint outline - but that's about the extent of the details one can see at that hour without any additional illumination.

yes, you can engage a target moving on foot at night with some measure of success.

If you can see a faint outline - you can also see them moving away from you. Sorry Charles - this guy apprears majorly "successful" if you want to go with the excuse that it was dark out and therefore couldnt see the perp therefore shot him a few more times. I don't buy it.

[Ban Hammer 13,429]

a brief search on the story - this occurred 1:30 a.m. on Nov. 24 - it was just past a full moon.

link and link

[LaL 418]

you can still see a faint outline - but that's about the extent of the details one can see at that hour without any additional illumination.

yes, you can engage a target moving on foot at night with some measure of success.

If you can see a faint outline - you can also see them moving away from you. Sorry Charles - this guy appears majorly "successful" if you want to go with the excuse that it was dark out, couldn't see the perp very well and therefore shot him a few more times with success. I don't buy it.

[Ban Hammer 13,429]

If you can see a faint outline - you can also see them moving away from you. Sorry Charles - this guy apprears majorly "successful" if you want to go with the excuse that it was dark out and therefore couldnt see the perp therefore shot him a few more times. I don't buy it.

not really, that in bold. and it doesn't matter if i convince you or if you convince me - it was the prosecutor that was important to convince.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Did the attacker have night vision then?

This so-called jogger went out looking for a kill, and got one. Bravo for him. What a brave man.

[Ban Hammer 13,429]

Did the attacker have night vision then?

This so-called jogger went out looking for a kill, and got one. Bravo for him. What a brave man.

assume much?

[LaL 418]

Hmm. Well Town & Country is pretty well lit - since it is a totally crappy part of town. I can't buy the darkness theory at all - knowing that.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

assume much?

We're all assuming a lot here, kemosabe. The alleged assailant punched the guy in the face while the man was jogging in pitch darkness. He just came out of nowhere and decide he'd like to punch a guy in the face at night. Without any other witnesses, no one will know exactly what happened, but firing shooting at the guy 8 times seems more like retaliation than act of self defense. And while the jury found him innocent, it would be pretty difficult under the circumstances to find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt with the law that gives citizens permission to be vigilantes on the streets.

Hmm. Well Town & Country is pretty well lit - since it is a totally crappy part of town. I can't buy the darkness theory at all - knowing that.

Which begs the question why the jogger chose to jog in that area in the middle of the night. The whole story stinks to high heaven.

[Fandango 1,439]

Technically, jogger could have stalked the guy, shot him, claimed attack & gotten away with it all.

[LaL 418]

Technically, jogger could have stalked the guy, shot him, claimed attack & gotten away with it all.

There was a friend with the dead guy. Reading the TBO story on it - I can see why the jogger would be scared. He saw the two guys twice, but it still doesn't add up to needing 8 shots fired.