4 shots to the chest from a jogger

[Danno 1,228]

Fla. jogger won't be charged for shooting teen

Published January 12, 2011

| Associated Press

TAMPA, Fla. – A pistol-packing jogger in Florida won't be charged for shooting and killing a teenager who attacked him during a midnight run.

Prosecutors said Tuesday they are convinced Thomas Baker acted in self defense when he fired eight shots at 18-year-old Carlos Mustelier near Tampa in November .

Prosecutors say Florida's "stand-your-ground" law was a factor in their decision. The law, passed in 2005, gives people the right to use deadly force as long as they "reasonably believe" it is necessary to stop another person from hurting them.

Baker told police he reached for his gun when the teen punched him in the face. Baker has a concealed weapons permit.

The teen was hit four times in the chest, back and buttocks. He died at the scene.

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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Fla. jogger won't be charged for shooting teen

Published January 12, 2011

| Associated Press

TAMPA, Fla. – A pistol-packing jogger in Florida won't be charged for shooting and killing a teenager who attacked him during a midnight run.

Prosecutors said Tuesday they are convinced Thomas Baker acted in self defense when he fired eight shots at 18-year-old Carlos Mustelier near Tampa in November .

Prosecutors say Florida's "stand-your-ground" law was a factor in their decision. The law, passed in 2005, gives people the right to use deadly force as long as they "reasonably believe" it is necessary to stop another person from hurting them.

Baker told police he reached for his gun when the teen punched him in the face. Baker has a concealed weapons permit.

The teen was hit four times in the chest, back and buttocks. He died at the scene.

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/12/fla-jogger-wont-charged-shooting-teen/#ixzz1AsqGw800

He chose the wrong victim. My guess is that the incidence of attacks on joggers will go down even further now. Too bad Florida doesn't allow any citizen to carry a gun without that stinking license. Then no one would attack joggers at all...like in Vermont.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess if you feel a need to arm yourself before going jogging, the question ought to be why bother going out in the first place.

Obviously jogging in Florida is more dangerous than it is around here, and we don't have guns to protect us from marauding teens.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Awesome. It would been priceless to see the look on the thugs face when he found out that his easy pickings was about to send him to hell. My prayers go to the jogger for his ordeal he had to be forced to terminate in this way.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I guess if you feel a need to arm yourself before going jogging, the question ought to be why bother going out in the first place.

Obviously jogging in Florida is more dangerous than it is around here, and we don't have guns to protect us from marauding teens.

There are other ways to defend oneself without using lethal force, but I guess for some, it takes a gun to make them feel man enough to fight back.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who knows, it's just crazy.

As someone who jogs, who has lived in 3 countries and has never had a problem with violent crime, I'll never buy the argument that a gun should be a necessary part of daily life. It's whacked.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Who knows, it's just crazy.

As someone who jogs, who has lived in 3 countries and has never had a problem with violent crime, I'll never buy the argument that a gun should be a necessary part of daily life. It's whacked.

Me neither. I'm not actually against the idea of carrying a firearm when situations call for it, but I have yet to find myself in a situation where I wished I was armed. About the only time I think I would really feel the need is if I decided to take a long road trip or if I were out camping. Common sense would be that you just don't put yourself in situations where the only way you'd feel safe is to be armed, unless it is unavoidable.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I guess if you feel a need to arm yourself before going jogging, the question ought to be why bother going out in the first place.

Obviously jogging in Florida is more dangerous than it is around here, and we don't have guns to protect us from marauding teens.

I don't jog. Jogging is perfectly safe here, no jogger has ever been assaulted. Ever. Some have been hit by cars.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Me neither. I'm not actually against the idea of carrying a firearm when situations call for it, but I have yet to find myself in a situation where I wished I was armed. About the only time I think I would really feel the need is if I decided to take a long road trip or if I were out camping. Common sense would be that you just don't put yourself in situations where the only way you'd feel safe is to be armed, unless it is unavoidable.

When is it "called for"? Do you buy life insurance only when it is called for? Fasten your seat belt only when it is called for? If you ever DO have a situation when you feel the sudden need to be armed...what will you do?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Apparently not in Florida.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

There are other ways to defend oneself without using lethal force, but I guess for some, it takes a gun to make them feel man enough to fight back.

And what? I thought you were pro choice? I do not criticise your choices of when to be armed.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

When is it "called for"? Do you buy life insurance only when it is called for? Fasten your seat belt only when it is called for? If you ever DO have a situation when you feel the sudden need to be armed...what will you do?

Calculable risks, Gary. Do you take a dump with your gun in your lap, you know, in case some scary guy might jump you while you're on the john?

And what? I thought you were pro choice? I do not criticise your choices of when to be armed.

I didn't you gunslingers were so sensitive to criticism.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

This murderer who killed a man in front of his 8 year old daughter in cold blood may very well get off on the basis of this stupid "Stand Your Ground" law. There ain't just nothing right or just about it.

Widow struggles with playground shooting case

Updated: Tuesday, 26 Oct 2010, 7:06 PM EDT

VALRICO - At just 41 years old, David James had retired from the Air Force. He had a home in a nice neighborhood and a beautiful family. One Sunday, he took his 8-year-old daughter Danielle to the park to play basketball -- and that's where it all ended.

"I never dreamed this could happen," offered Kanina James, David's widow. "He went to play basketball with my daughter, and nobody thinks he's going to wind up dead."

In her first one-on-one interview, Kanina says she's frustrated. She wonders why the man accused in David's killing walks free.

Deputies arrested Trevor Dooley, a Hillsborough County school bus driver. They say he brought a gun to the park and was angry over kids on skateboards. James defended the kids; there was an argument, then a fatal gunshot.

Dooley was charged with manslaughter and released on bond.

"I'm so confused on why they have him on manslaughter instead of murder," Kanina said, wiping away a tear. "Nobody takes a gun to a park and plans on playing with it. They plan to kill somebody, and that's what he did."

A judge ordered Dooley not to return to his home near the park. There was no answer at his door when FOX 13 stopped by.

Dooley had a concealed weapons permit and he had the right to carry a gun from his house across the street to the park. And under Florida's 'Stand Your Ground' law, he had the right to use that gun if he felt he was at risk of great bodily harm.

Under Stand Your Ground, Dooley's lawyers may argue, that in the seconds before the shot, James was the aggressor, going after the gun.

Kanina doesn't believe it.

"Because he was a very gentle person," she explained. "He wasn't confrontational, he never fought with anybody."

And, she says, he was in love with his daughter.

Danielle saw it all happen. As her father lay dying in the park, Danielle used his phone to call her mom with the terrible news.

"He was very close with my daughter," Kanina added. "And now she has to live without him."

Friends and neighbors have set up the Danielle Kerrigan James fund at Bank of America. They're raising money for college and for counseling.

Trevor Dooley is scheduled to appear in court in early December for a procedural hearing. He's been suspended from his job as a school bus driver.

[Ban Hammer 13,429]

There are other ways to defend oneself without using lethal force, but I guess for some, it takes a gun to make them feel man enough to fight back.

if you jogged quite a bit, you'd know dogs go after joggers.

[james&olya 1,121]

This murderer who killed a man in front of his 8 year old daughter in cold blood may very well get off on the basis of this stupid "Stand Your Ground" law. There ain't just nothing right or just about it.

One reason I would never choose to live in Florida!

if you jogged quite a bit, you'd know dogs go after joggers.

And you shoot them??