!!!End The Unjust Jewish Occupation of Arab Land!!!!

[sharky 2]

and people like you who support every action of Israel in the middle east make me just as sick!!!

and here's a nice posting before I sign off for the night:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5289984.stm

MORE attrocities committed by the IDF, but I'm sure I can rely on the usual redneck posters to try and turn the truth around again.....

goodnight Y'ALL!!!!

YYEEHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

[Bosco 1]

What I take issue with is the perception that Israel is somehow the victim in the current situation. What happened to Jewish people in the past is beyond tragic and I don't in anyway condone violence against Jewish people (or any people for that matter). However, I do not think that in any way condones what the state of Isreal is doing today. In fact, I find it abhorent that they use the past and claim anti-semitism as a a means to reproach any criticisms of their policies - akin to using 9/11 to push political agendas by either political party.

I think even the most superficial examinations of what is happening in Israel/Palestinian reveals that Israel is not the victim, and there is a rather compelling argument to be made that the policies of Israel show just as a much of a desire to rid the area of Palestinians as the desire of Arab nations to see the riddance of Israel.

If Palestine can make the areas they do have productive and stop fighting themselves then you would have an arguement, however, they can't even run an effective government in the tiny area they do control.

Joel

How do you suggest they make the areas productive with the economic strangulation that is a result of Israel's policies? Severe restriction of movement, walls separating families, people from their businesses, farmers from their farms. How can you govern a place that is broke up into pieces and you can only get to those places with permission from your occupier that is nearly impossible to come by? Palestinians are not even free to build.

[mawilson 2,133]

If Palestine can make the areas they do have productive and stop fighting themselves then you would have an arguement, however, they can't even run an effective government in the tiny area they do control.

Joel

How do you suggest they make the areas productive with the economic strangulation that is a result of Israel's policies? Severe restriction of movement, walls separating families, people from their businesses, farmers from their farms. How can you govern a place that is broke up into pieces and you can only get to those places with permission from your occupier that is nearly impossible to come by? Palestinians are not even free to build.

Gaza is not broken up into pieces or separated by any walls or checkpoints, only the West Bank is.

There is no restriction of movement within Gaza, yet the place remains as ####### as it was before

the withdrawal.

[Joel Halfwassen 0]

What I take issue with is the perception that Israel is somehow the victim in the current situation. What happened to Jewish people in the past is beyond tragic and I don't in anyway condone violence against Jewish people (or any people for that matter). However, I do not think that in any way condones what the state of Isreal is doing today. In fact, I find it abhorent that they use the past and claim anti-semitism as a a means to reproach any criticisms of their policies - akin to using 9/11 to push political agendas by either political party.

I think even the most superficial examinations of what is happening in Israel/Palestinian reveals that Israel is not the victim, and there is a rather compelling argument to be made that the policies of Israel show just as a much of a desire to rid the area of Palestinians as the desire of Arab nations to see the riddance of Israel.

If Palestine can make the areas they do have productive and stop fighting themselves then you would have an arguement, however, they can't even run an effective government in the tiny area they do control.

Joel

How do you suggest they make the areas productive with the economic strangulation that is a result of Israel's policies? Severe restriction of movement, walls separating families, people from their businesses, farmers from their farms. How can you govern a place that is broke up into pieces and you can only get to those places with permission from your occupier that is nearly impossible to come by? Palestinians are not even free to build.

Most of the small area in the US/Canada were able to to do it in relative isolation, Tiawan did it, even Tibet is more productive. Honestly, just roll up you sleeves and get to work. There are port areas. They can bring in ships. Take what you got and do something with it.

Joel

Joel

[dalegg 143]

great reply Bosco, I always like to occasionally tread these threads......... not like most of you who spend every minute on here drumming up anti-muslim sh*t.........

I guess my visits make me realise that there sure are some narrow minded dumb f*cks here in the good ole US of A, most probably Jewish.......... it's always good to know how the other side thinks.........

oh sorry did I say think........... my mistake

Paul C - thanks for posting this. Now it's clear that you're a vile, dangerous and hateful anti-Semite

and a traitor to your country which was only recently attacked by Arab murderers you seem to love

so much. People like you make me sick.

My take is that for every Risto, there has to be a Paul C. It's kind of a balancing of the universe and makes these forums more interesting.

[mawilson 2,133]

Most of the small area in the US/Canada were able to to do it in relative isolation, Tiawan did it, even Tibet is more productive. Honestly, just roll up you sleeves and get to work. There are port areas. They can bring in ships. Take what you got and do something with it.

That they actually can't do (Israel won't let them) but they can do everything else you said.

My take is that for every Risto, there has to be a Paul C. It's kind of a balancing of the universe and makes these forums more interesting.

LOL - so true

[Bosco 1]

If Palestine can make the areas they do have productive and stop fighting themselves then you would have an arguement, however, they can't even run an effective government in the tiny area they do control.

Joel

How do you suggest they make the areas productive with the economic strangulation that is a result of Israel's policies? Severe restriction of movement, walls separating families, people from their businesses, farmers from their farms. How can you govern a place that is broke up into pieces and you can only get to those places with permission from your occupier that is nearly impossible to come by? Palestinians are not even free to build.

Gaza is not broken up into pieces or separated by any walls or checkpoints, only the West Bank is.

There is no restriction of movement within Gaza, yet the place remains as ####### as it was before

the withdrawal.

Israel frequently closes the Karni crossing and blocks Gaza's borders, leaving the residents of Gaza without access to food, shortages of medicine and other basic supplies. Small factories within Gaza have been forced down due to the border closings. Millions in produce has gone to waste because Israel did not allow exports.

Nearly half of Bait Hanun farmland has been destroyed by Israel in the past several years.

Large numbers of Gazans have been made homeless as a result of Israeli demolition.

And the Gazans are to blame?

[sharky 2]

What I take issue with is the perception that Israel is somehow the victim in the current situation. What happened to Jewish people in the past is beyond tragic and I don't in anyway condone violence against Jewish people (or any people for that matter). However, I do not think that in any way condones what the state of Isreal is doing today. In fact, I find it abhorent that they use the past and claim anti-semitism as a a means to reproach any criticisms of their policies - akin to using 9/11 to push political agendas by either political party.

I think even the most superficial examinations of what is happening in Israel/Palestinian reveals that Israel is not the victim, and there is a rather compelling argument to be made that the policies of Israel show just as a much of a desire to rid the area of Palestinians as the desire of Arab nations to see the riddance of Israel.

If Palestine can make the areas they do have productive and stop fighting themselves then you would have an arguement, however, they can't even run an effective government in the tiny area they do control.

Joel

How do you suggest they make the areas productive with the economic strangulation that is a result of Israel's policies? Severe restriction of movement, walls separating families, people from their businesses, farmers from their farms. How can you govern a place that is broke up into pieces and you can only get to those places with permission from your occupier that is nearly impossible to come by? Palestinians are not even free to build.

Most of the small area in the US/Canada were able to to do it in relative isolation, Tiawan did it, even Tibet is more productive. Honestly, just roll up you sleeves and get to work. There are port areas. They can bring in ships. Take what you got and do something with it.

Joel

Joel

Oh what the heck, one more for the road eh?

Joel your last comment only served to prove your ignorance on this subject......... re-read Bosco's post, Gaza is isolated not just economically but geographically, Israel controls the air space over Gaza and the seas around the coast of Gaza.... so would you like to tell me how they just bring in supplies by sea or air????

and how I would love to drop Mawilson into the middle of Gaza amongst all its residents and get him to re-iterate his narrow minded view that it's a ####### place to them.

Your place would be ####### if it had been bombed to sh*t by the Israelis and then economically strangled........the ignorance in these threads is simply unbeleivable........

[Elizabethnhenry 0]

getting a few rednecks ruffled tonight!!!

I just love it!

Oh man, I hope that's not me. I was really hoping to be a zionist or a jew lover. I hate being a redneck. I mean, I can see how you would call Pedroh a redneck, but not me. Maybe you didn't me me. I hope. I hope. I hope.

[Bosco 1]

My take is that for every Risto, there has to be a Paul C. It's kind of a balancing of the universe and makes these forums more interesting.

Maybe I did not interpret it correctly, but I thought Paul's comment was sort of tongue-in-cheek, pointing out similar comments and labeling done by certain members of this forum about the "mean girls", "terrorist supporters", "america haters" and the routine suggestions that we only care because it is where our husbands are from, etc.

[sharky 2]

My take is that for every Risto, there has to be a Paul C. It's kind of a balancing of the universe and makes these forums more interesting.

Maybe I did not interpret it correctly, but I thought Paul's comment was sort of tongue-in-cheek, pointing out similar comments and labeling done by certain members of this forum about the "mean girls", "terrorist supporters", "america haters" and the routine suggestions that we only care because it is where our husbands are from, etc.

spot on Bosco, but again lost on the very redneck posters it was aimed at!!

good to see someone's awake tonight!

[Elizabethnhenry 0]

I think the map maker (what's the real word? cartographer?? ) thinks arab and muslim are synonymous. Like my neighbor freaking out when she found out Iranians are technically not Arabs.

Wonder what she would do if she learned that not all Israelis are Jews and that there are Israeli Muslims and Christians. Or that my best friend is an Iraqi Jew who considers herself an Arab. Maybe her head would feel like this.... or this

She would die. She still asks one of friends "are you black or panamanian?"

[noblehero 0]

Okay children,

Take your sides...

but just be sure you choose the right one. Your souls are at stake.

[belize 0]

Paul C-- the article you linked above, about the IDF striking the media vehicle in Gaza...what if I were to tell you that it is not uncommon of people in the Gaza area to hide things such as weapons in AMBULANCES? ...ambulances?!....so, for the IDF to mistake a media truck for something more suspicious, is not exactly shocking to me. My condolences go out to the victims--things are tragic on both sides.

And for the record, this has been my first time posting in this "off-topic" forum...don't generalize who I am, or pretend that I am some "muslim-hater"...I have never said anything bad against Islam, unlike what you have said about Jews, nor would I...this is not the who hates who and how much game....geez man, how old are you? I mean, young are you?

my original posting of the image was to put things in perspective, in regards to land, to see just how tiny Israel is, how little land Israel is out of the whole middle east...and to think, all this fighting over such a small area? ...geography can be a useful visual aide to gain such perspective....don't you get it already? Sometimes one is better off not reading too far deep into something (like bringing in all the anti-muslim ####### and anti-jewish #######....grow the $*#& up...)

[mawilson 2,133]

Joel your last comment only served to prove your ignorance on this subject......... re-read Bosco's post, Gaza is isolated not just economically but geographically, Israel controls the air space over Gaza and the seas around the coast of Gaza.... so would you like to tell me how they just bring in supplies by sea or air????

Riiight.....they cannot bring in any supplies by sea or air, and what do they do? They piss off the only

neighbour who actually *can* provide them with supplies, food and electricity and buy their

agricultural produce, by launching rockets into their cities. Very smart indeed.

and how I would love to drop Mawilson into the middle of Gaza amongst all its residents and get him to re-iterate his narrow minded view that it's a ####### place to them.

Your place would be ####### if it had been bombed to sh*t by the Israelis and then economically strangled........the ignorance in these threads is simply unbeleivable........

I've been to Gaza, Paul C - the only narrow-minded view here is your naïve idea that the world

is a fair and just place. I hate to break it to you, but it's not. Whatever they got from Israel so far

is *all* they're going to get, so they might as well just get on with their lives because this is as

good as it gets.